Tiffany Shlain, 24/6: THE POWER OF UNPLUGGING ONE DAY A WEEK
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[1:10]Tiffany Schlaine is the author of 24-6, The Power of Unplugging One Day a Week,
[1:15]an Emmy-nominated filmmaker and creator of The Webby Awards.
[1:18]She has won more than 80 awards and distinctions herself.
[1:21]Four of her films have premiered at Sundance.
[1:24]Her original series, The Future Star Tier, has received over 40 million views.
[1:28]Newsweek even called her one of the women shaping the 20th century.
[1:32]Not bad.
[1:33]She currently lives with her husband and two daughters.
[1:36]So welcome, Tiffany.
[1:37]Thanks for coming on mom's turn.
[1:38]I have time to read this.
[1:39]I am happy to be here.
[1:40]Okay.
[1:41]So 24-6, The Power of Unplugging One Day a Week.
[1:46]Tell listeners what this is about and how you came to write this book.
[1:49]Well, let's see.
[1:50]I have a career steeped in technology, and obviously I had so many hopes for the web,
[1:55]and in the early days of all the amazing things that would allow us to do and connect,
[1:59]and creativity and connect ideas and people.
[2:02]But I never imagined it would make everyone just staring down,
[2:06]addicted and distracted all the time.
[2:07]That was never part of the original hopes for the web.
[2:10]Anyway, so after running The Webby Awards, I sold out like 12 years ago,
[2:14]or maybe 13 years ago, and I ran a film studio in San Francisco.
[2:19]And when the iPhone came out in 2007, I like everyone else got teleaddicted,
[2:23]and I just never felt very present and distracted.
[2:27]And then I had this moment in my life that I'm sure your listeners,
[2:30]you know, there's moments where you feel like just life is grabbing you by the shoulders,
[2:34]and just having you re-prioritize.
[2:36]My father, who I was incredibly close to, was diagnosed with brain cancer.
[2:40]And he was given nine months to live, and then that same couple days I found out I was pregnant
[2:45]after five miscarriages.
[2:47]And I just was thinking a lot about life and death, and when I would visit my dad,
[2:51]I would turn off my phone, of course.
[2:53]And I started really thinking about turning off my phone, how much more present I felt.
[2:58]And then my father did pass away, and then my daughter was born with a couple days later.
[3:03]And then we were invited to, very invited to be a part of something called the National
[3:07]Day of Unplugging by this organization, reboot that I'm a part of.
[3:09]And it was a ceremonial day.
[3:12]Let's turn off the screens for one day, a year.
[3:15]And my husband and I and our two daughters did it, and I just had a baby.
[3:19]And it felt so good.
[3:21]I was like, this is what I need.
[3:23]And I have to say, I mean, we've never stopped doing it, and it's been 10 years.
[3:26]But I should say I'm Jewish.
[3:27]I didn't grow up with Shabbat.
[3:29]I'm not a religious Jew.
[3:30]I'm a cultural Jew.
[3:31]My husband did Shabbat dinners, but to have a full day of no screens is the modern version
[3:38]of a day of rest in my mind.
[3:40]And it's been the most incredible practice of my life.
[3:43]I just feel like the longer we do it, the better it gets.
[3:46]I never thought this would be my first book.
[3:47]I have another book I've been wanting to write.
[3:49]But I just felt like, oh my gosh, I have so much to share.
[3:52]Like, our daughters love it.
[3:53]It's our favorite day of the week.
[3:55]I feel more creative, more productive.
[3:56]I'm happier on those days.
[3:58]I laugh more.
[3:58]Oh my gosh, it's like this secret sauce.
[4:02]And it's this ancient tradition that has so much wisdom in it.
[4:06]And I'm so excited to get these ideas out because it's,
[4:09]you know, it's not something I tried for a couple years or a couple months or digital detail.
[4:13]You know, it's not that it's like a whole different way to live is to have
[4:16]a real structure around your week and have a true day of rest.
[4:20]And a true day where we have a big show on me,
[4:22]we have a big meal every Friday night with family and friends.
[4:25]And no one brings their screen and it's very different to be with people without their phones.
[4:29]And then the next day is like the most delicious day of my week that I like,
[4:33]I look forward to all week.
[4:34]It's really hard to believe that having to say we had to never
[4:37]that our phones is like a thing.
[4:38]I mean, it's much sugar that's right.
[4:41]It's that is half of what I find like I can't believe that I'm having.
[4:46]I've a listed the back of the book, fun things to do without time by age.
[4:50]And I do it all the way up to 65 plus because everyone feels addicted.
[4:54]Everyone's forgotten how to live beforehand.
[4:56]And it feels like I'm just going, wait, let's remember our humanity.
[5:00]We enjoyed so many things without this distraction device and the web can bring so many
[5:05]wonderful, joyful things.
[5:06]It can connect us in so many ways, but not 24 seven and not the way we're living with them right now.
[5:11]And not the way it's causing mental health issues.
[5:13]I'm data and privacy issues issues with our democracy and our election.
[5:17]Like there's a lot of stuff going on because the business model around the phone is all to
[5:21]keep you glued all the time.
[5:22]Yeah.
[5:23]And they do a good job.
[5:24]They do a great job.
[5:25]How can you have that with thousands of engineers and behavioral scientists that are focused
[5:29]on addicting you to staring at the screen?
[5:31]I have not been able to.
[5:32]So in fact, I was just saying earlier, like I read your book and you're so you make such a
[5:37]a compelling argument.
[5:38]And I told we bought it, but I just feel like I'm not ready.
[5:41]Like I feel like it's like an intervention.
[5:43]I don't know.
[5:44]I mean, I said to my husband, I was like, I think I'll try it.
[5:46]Like why don't we all try it?
[5:47]And he's like, okay, he's like, you're going to be like, just one thing or
[5:50]let's get you faster than there.
[5:52]But you know what?
[5:52]That's kind of fun.
[5:53]And how old are your kids?
[5:54]I have twins that are 12, six and almost five.
[5:57]That's a great time for you to start doing this.
[5:58]I mean, just bake it in early in my 16 year old daughter says all the time.
[6:03]And she's so glad she has this day.
[6:06]You know, when she's a junior, it's so stressful and high school.
[6:09]And it's like a wall of protection for one day to read you.
[6:13]If I had done your technology Shabbat for a month,
[6:17]I would have written about it.
[6:18]Like you waited 10 years to write about this concept.
[6:21]I know because I guess I wasn't doing it to write something.
[6:24]I know.
[6:25]But I think that's interesting because I just have someone to say, well,
[6:28]you know, you do often see those books like I did this for a year and here's my,
[6:32]and that was so not my journey.
[6:33]It was kind of like, oh, gosh, this feels great.
[6:36]It always keeps feeling better and better in it.
[6:38]And I'm giving me all these new insights on technology and society and daydreaming and,
[6:44]you know, just what is life.
[6:45]It just gives you this day to really think big picture thoughts about a lot of the stuff.
[6:49]But when you say that you don't think you do it,
[6:51]I actually think all the kind of mini attempts during the week,
[6:54]which I also have a lot of strategies in the book about that.
[6:57]I think it's harder when it's around.
[6:59]It's your phone.
[7:00]It's your alarm clock.
[7:01]That's your map.
[7:01]It's getting your card, all this stuff.
[7:04]But to have a clear boundary is actually wonderful because I put it away on Friday night.
[7:10]And it's like in this part of the kitchen that I don't get to.
[7:13]Yeah.
[7:13]And I don't see it.
[7:15]And then I just feel liberated.
[7:16]It's so liberating.
[7:17]I think people don't realize how much you feel tethered.
[7:21]And as somebody I was talking to me earlier, I was like, I take my dog off leash.
[7:24]It's like taking yourself off leash.
[7:26]You get to be free in a way, I think we've forgotten.
[7:29]We're just too available to everything and everyone and
[7:32]you don't realize how much you're being influenced.
[7:33]I mean, you're a mom.
[7:34]So obviously you're always there for your kids.
[7:36]But they're for everyone and we're there for all the news and everyone's vacation shots
[7:40]and everyone's other drama.
[7:42]It's just too much for a human to kind of be and be comfortable with just not reaching for
[7:48]that device every second that you have downtime.
[7:51]One of the most powerful things, I think, there are a lot of powerful reasons to take your breaks
[7:57]from a phone.
[7:58]But when you said we have 30,000 days, basically, on average, how do we want to live ours?
[8:04]Yeah.
[8:04]That you realize there's so much with your dad's passing away.
[8:06]And the time is just so finite.
[8:08]So short.
[8:09]Do you really want to spend the equivalent of what 10,000 days on your phone,
[8:12]like looking down?
[8:13]Yeah.
[8:14]You know what?
[8:14]My 10-year-old, we're working on a movie.
[8:17]We're releasing five short, two-minute films that go with the book and this
[8:21]global day I do called Character Day.
[8:23]And one's called Dear Parent, which we're releasing tomorrow.
[8:26]One's called Dear Student for Teens.
[8:28]One's called Dear CEO for Texas Eos.
[8:30]One's Dear Legislature for all these laws that should be thought of.
[8:34]And then Dear fellow human.
[8:35]And we were working on the films in one day this summer.
[8:37]I brought in my 10-year-old because she filmed interns at my film studio.
[8:42]She said, that's awesome.
[8:43]It's around and it says interesting things for us.
[8:45]And we were working on the film.
[8:46]And she goes, no, it's going to be at the end of the life thing.
[8:49]I wish I was on the screens more.
[8:51]And she just dropped some serious wisdom.
[8:55]And she's like, my job is done.
[8:57]Yeah.
[8:57]Vluma, did you just say that?
[8:59]And you know, of course she hasn't seen that life insurance ad that we also have 15 years
[9:03]ago that said, no one's ever going to look back in the life
[9:05]and said, I wish I worked longer.
[9:06]Right.
[9:06]Which I had always stopped me in my tracks.
[9:09]But it's the same thing with screens.
[9:10]Like, and so I think as a family, it's a whole family commitment.
[9:15]You have to go all in.
[9:16]And Ken is our sharpest guy if we really need to look something up or lost
[9:20]or something we have to earn urgent situation.
[9:24]That happens really.
[9:25]He's the one who looks up and puts it right back.
[9:27]I don't want to even look at it and I want to touch it.
[9:29]And I want to be near it.
[9:30]I feel like this is my day off from all of that.
[9:33]But it's a full family thing.
[9:35]And the thing that I would say to people is, first of all, don't go to your family.
[9:40]We're going to turn off screens one day a week.
[9:42]That's the worst approach.
[9:44]Okay.
[9:44]We'll cry.
[9:45]Okay, I won't do it that way.
[9:46]But if you say to every member of the family, what do you wish you had more time to do?
[9:51]And everyone has that list.
[9:52]And everyone wrote down three things.
[9:54]They wish they had more time to do.
[9:56]And then you fill the day with that.
[9:58]And it becomes everyone's favorite day.
[10:00]You know, could just be reading, playing soccer, doing some art,
[10:04]learning how to play the ukulele, making cookies, snapping, whatever it is.
[10:09]Life. Life. Yeah. Without screens. Without tunes. Unplugged.
[10:14]And I really love the ritual behind it.
[10:16]Like, there's meaning in that you tied it to something with a history.
[10:20]I read your interview with Beth Rickonati.
[10:21]Oh, I also had on the podcast.
[10:23]Oh, she's so great. We have so much fun.
[10:25]It sounded like, yeah.
[10:26]Sort of sad I wasn't there to listen,
[10:27]but both of you, because her ritual is making the holo.
[10:30]And you both have been doing this for 10 years.
[10:31]You with the dancing. And it's very meditative.
[10:33]A holo recipe. We both have to bake.
[10:37]At first, you're going to do the interview while we were making holo over Skype,
[10:39]but it didn't work out. Yeah.
[10:42]But it's like, I don't know, investing it with that tradition.
[10:45]Yeah. Somehow makes it more, I don't know.
[10:48]Worthy of doing or something. And it connects you to everybody else in a way where
[10:53]I don't know. I love doing that.
[10:55]People are doing shapot all over the world.
[10:56]And again, I'm not a religious, I'm not observing it in a religious way.
[10:59]Because you know, religious, observant, orthodox Jews, they don't write,
[11:02]they don't drive, they don't use money.
[11:04]I have great respect for that. That's not my way into it.
[11:08]But I do love that everyone all over the world is doing it on the same night.
[11:12]That connects you to something larger than yourself.
[11:14]And the holo is very much a part of it, because my whole journey starts on Friday morning,
[11:18]making the holo with my youngest hands in the dough is very meditative, not on a phone.
[11:22]It's in holo dough. It's very wonderful.
[11:25]If to let it rise all day, just remind you some things need to rise all day.
[11:29]Let me always have people over. And we make the exact same meal every Friday night.
[11:32]So it's not a complicated thing. At this point, it's like,
[11:34]we got it down 10 years of making this delicious.
[11:37]I was reading your book like late at night, and I was sitting in my desk
[11:40]like really hungry. And I was like, oh, I can like smell the rest chicken.
[11:43]Yeah, I mean, you have to comment if you're a religious artist.
[11:46]Thank you. But yeah, I do like a modified shabot.
[11:49]I can't even call it shabot dinner. Like at this point, we like like two candles
[11:52]and riffahala apart. Then sometimes like I forget and they'll be like taking a shower,
[11:56]I'll be like, that's it. Start saying it. Start doing it.
[11:59]Yeah. Like that was fun. Well, I mean, I think that is most of the Jews in my life are cultural
[12:06]Jews. It is a handful. That are more religious. But if they do a shabot, it's usually, you know,
[12:10]maybe occasionally like the candles. But I think for me, and this was what was so exciting,
[12:16]is the power came in the full day. And I got that, because I always kind of associated with
[12:21]the shabot meal. I'm like, oh, it's about the full day of rest. It's the fourth commandment.
[12:26]Above, do not murder. That's pretty big. Like as an ethical enemy Judaism, I much more identified
[12:32]as like a practice and ethics and a way of thinking and wrestling with ideas. But that's my end.
[12:38]And so a full day of rest. And what does a full day of rest mean today? Well, it means turning
[12:44]off the screens to us, you know, and we don't look at any, you know, there's no TV. We don't have
[12:48]anything on, because it's just a conduit to so much else. And the Jewish philosopher Abraham
[12:54]Hashel calls it a palace in time, not in space. You're not going to a temple. You're creating a
[12:58]palace in a day, which I really love to that idea. And I feel like it's particularly impressive
[13:04]that you are doing this because from reading your bio and watching all of your family, you've
[13:08]done so much stuff. And you're like in it. You're making films. And I love it all. I know they
[13:14]you're not like sitting around like, oh, I'm going to take the day out from Pilates to not be on
[13:18]my phone. You are like so busy. Like, and yet you were saying that you're even more productive
[13:23]as a result. I feel like that. I can look at my career. Like when I was starting the webbies,
[13:27]I worked all the time. So tell me for two seconds about starting the webbies.
[13:32]I was your idea. Okay. So I was super into computers when I was in middle school in high school
[13:38]before the Mac. This is I'm 49. So just to like place us in the 80s before the web. And I remember
[13:46]I got a Mac and I just thought that was miraculous because I had a modem that I could connect
[13:51]with that crazy sound. Connect to the library. And in high school before the web, this other student
[13:57]and I wrote this proposal called the United Nations in telecommunications and software about the
[14:02]power of personal computers to connect students all over the world. Now that wasn't there yet,
[14:06]but this was like what we saw as the potential. From this one page proposal, who I sent to
[14:11]Congresswoman Barbara Boxer at the time, I then got invited to be a student ambassador to the
[14:15]Soviet Union to talk about the power of personal computers at 18 before I went to college for
[14:19]went to Cal. So I was like, I was so ready for this to happen, but it wasn't there yet.
[14:25]And then I was making movies and I would pay for my movies by working in technology. I worked in
[14:29]CD-ROMs to kind of pay for my films. And I was working on a CD-ROM about staying. And somebody said,
[14:36]Tiffany, you have to see this thing called the web. There's a website and people all over the
[14:39]world are talking about how much they love Stings music on a website. I was like, it's here.
[14:44]It's here. I moved back to San Francisco. I was in there at the time. I started working for the web
[14:48]magazine, which was a magazine way ahead of its time. This is like the late 90s. And they were like,
[14:53]we own the Webby award trademark. And we have no budget for it. And I had just created this website for
[14:58]them. And do you think you can do something with it? I'm like, okay, and I do something with it.
[15:03]First, I'm an independent filmmaker. So I know how to do something with no money. And this is my
[15:07]great passion is the web. And so I felt it was like, I got free reign. And the webys became
[15:13]so big. The web magazine actually they folded the magazine and they spun out the webby awards.
[15:17]And it was like driving a rocket ship. And I worked with this incredible woman, Maya Drazin,
[15:23]who lives in New York. She's my best friend. And we went through so much. And then after
[15:28]almost a decade, I started at my first child. And I didn't want to work like that. So this was
[15:33]like the great struggle for every working woman can relate to this as I was working my ass off
[15:38]on this on the webby awards. And I just had a child like, how do I do this? How do I be a good mother
[15:43]and contribute to the world? And that's when I knew I had made a film for Planned Parenthood while
[15:48]I was running the webby awards. And it got into Sundance. And I kind of went back to my original
[15:53]dream, which was filmmaking combined with everything I learned from the web to make social change.
[15:57]So shortly after that, I sold the webby awards, started a film studio in San Francisco. And I've
[16:01]made a lot of documentaries about women's rights, technology, Jewish stuff. And what does it mean
[16:07]to be human in the 21st century? So all of my work, if you were to look at all my 30 films and the
[16:12]webbies and my book, they're all connected. They're like neuroscience, psychology, about
[16:17]and philosophy about what does it mean to be human in the age of technology? When does it
[16:21]amplify who we are and when does it amputate who we are? And that is always my question. And so
[16:28]right now, I feel like this book is, I think it's amputating a lot of experiences. And I think we
[16:33]need to reclaim, you know, when is it important to turn the phone off?
[16:39]In your book, I felt was so well written. I thought it was going to be very, I just didn't know.
[16:43]Like I didn't realize there, I felt like there was a lot of memoir to it. Like there was
[16:46]much more about your life, not that I even knew you before, but like I love hearing about
[16:51]those life stories. You wove in so much of that with your dad and having your baby. And like,
[16:56]it was like part memoir, which made, it just made your arguments that much more powerful,
[17:01]because I understood like where you were coming from. Oh, I appreciate that. Are they getting that
[17:06]right balance? And you know, I enjoyed writing so much. I did one other book, I won't even count it
[17:11]a book, but it was like a booklet. It was for the Ted conference and I had made a film about a child's
[17:16]developing brain. And I made a, they asked me to make a book from it. It was 30 pages.
[17:20]You know, it was more of a multimedia book. So this was my first book.
[17:24]And everyone was like, are there going to be images in it? Because I make some of the images
[17:27]from my movies. I was like, no. And I loved the creative constraint of it. And I loved writing.
[17:32]You're such a good writer. No, seriously. I mean, you really, I mean, it was, it was great.
[17:37]So how did you do it? Did you just sit down? You're like, I'm going to just write my first book.
[17:40]And it's, you know, a couple things I would say is that I thought about a lot of these ideas
[17:46]have been in my films. So I've made a lot of short films that actually on my website 246Life.com.
[17:51]I linked to all these short films that have explored a lot of these issues. So I've thought
[17:55]about that a lot, but I was in a book club with a whole bunch of women and two of my best friends
[17:59]were in it. And we are their writers. And I knew I wanted to write this book. So we peeled off and
[18:04]started a writers group. We met once a month, three of us called the investigative poets.
[18:09]And we met once a month and we each turned in nine pages a month. And we did that for the last
[18:14]two years. And that was so if anyone listening wants to write a book, I highly recommend whoever,
[18:19]it just takes three people to hold each other accountable. And that was a big part of it.
[18:23]And the other, this is the big part of it too, as I started going to bed at 9 p.m. and getting
[18:28]it at five and writing from five to seven before my kids got up. And it felt like I found two hours.
[18:34]I mean, it was, it was amazing. It takes real discipline to go to bed that early,
[18:38]which I'll only do like four days a week. I'm not doing that on the weekends. But to have from
[18:42]five to seven to write, my mind is the most clear then. And no emails are coming in. And I did
[18:48]that really, really religiously. I got up at five and wrote on most days of the week. And I would go
[18:55]the public library. And when I loved it, I just felt like there was nothing else I was supposed
[18:59]to be doing when I was writing. That's a nice thing. Yeah. And I had great editors and you know,
[19:04]Karen Marcus, like gallery books and Jenny Trey, who is my developmental editor, who's worked on
[19:09]a lot of my movies, it is collaborative in a very different way. You know, they're making a film.
[19:13]Film involves a lot of people and, but a book is so much fun. Do you have a five-word piece of advice
[19:21]to aspiring authors in the style of your webbies? I'm putting on a spot here. Get up at five. Right.
[19:31]I am telling you anyone that I've told like if you can really try to do it just four days a week,
[19:36]you've found two hours you didn't have. I mean, I'm already up with my kids at that time.
[19:40]They get up at five. Well, I'm lucky to be on six. Well, this has only been, I don't think I could
[19:45]have, because well, it's only been in the last like four years that I could have done that.
[19:49]Yeah, because my 10 and 16 and now they're starting to sleep in. Yeah. But,
[19:54]you know, I also think going to the library, a library is a beautiful place to write. First of all,
[19:58]it's so inspiring.
[20:00]because there's so many books.
[20:01]It's very quiet and it's a great place.
[20:04]I think what I really recommend is create a ritual,
[20:06]I guess is what I'm saying, that is your time to write.
[20:09]Don't try to squeeze it in, like say,
[20:11]I'm gonna take this seriously
[20:12]and I'm gonna either get up at five
[20:14]if you can't do that while my kids are at school
[20:17]for two hours, I'm gonna go to the library
[20:18]and make that just a really focused boundary.
[20:21]I think what I'm talking a lot about with the book
[20:22]and with this is creating some boundaries.
[20:24]Our lives become, there's no boundaries with anything.
[20:27]We're writing, we're mothering,
[20:29]we're all on the phone, we're tweeting,
[20:30]we're notifying, we're just not anywhere,
[20:33]really, because we're trying to be everywhere.
[20:35]And then that just makes it so you can't really be
[20:38]present for anything.
[20:39]Are there things that you feel you just don't have time for?
[20:43]I mean, you're doing all these things.
[20:44]You can get up early and write, you can do your films.
[20:47]Like, did you have to cut anything out?
[20:48]Oh, well, I didn't make a film for the last two years.
[20:50]We're just making these short films
[20:52]and I kind of missed it.
[20:53]I was, it feels like my other love.
[20:54]You feel like short films can't.
[20:56]Can I count?
[20:56]It's making films.
[20:57]My short films, I go through a lot with my short.
[20:59]I think they're hard.
[21:00]I mean, I've made a feature that was hard and great,
[21:03]but hard and a long journey.
[21:04]But short films, they're a great creative challenge
[21:06]because you have to squeeze in everything.
[21:09]Actually, you said 30,000 days spoke to you.
[21:10]You should see, I made a 10-minute film
[21:13]called 30,000 Days.
[21:14]And it's all about that subject.
[21:17]I wanted to watch your film.
[21:18]It was about making a event.
[21:19]Oh, making a event.
[21:20]That's 10 minutes.
[21:21]It's hard to squeeze thousands of years of ideas
[21:23]about being a mentor or about living a good life
[21:25]in 10 minutes.
[21:26]So it's the ultimate creative challenge.
[21:27]My husband, a producer, he's working on a film
[21:29]called The Munch.
[21:30]I think I should talk.
[21:31]Oh, my gosh, yeah.
[21:33]And she'll talk.
[21:34]Okay.
[21:35]I'll connect you.
[21:36]But that's awesome.
[21:37]So any parting words of advice on people who have decided
[21:42]they're going to take the plunge, give me a pep talk.
[21:45]So there's people.
[21:46]When is this airing?
[21:47]This is airing on October, probably October 17th.
[21:52]Okay.
[21:52]So the nonprofit that I have in San Francisco
[21:55]is called Let It Ripple.
[21:57]And we do a global event called Character Day,
[21:59]which happens in schools and companies and homes
[22:01]around the country and world.
[22:03]And this year, the focus is going to be your character
[22:05]who you are in relationship to screen use.
[22:08]When does being on screens amplify who you are
[22:10]and when does it diminish it?
[22:11]So that quality is like empathy, gratitude, courage,
[22:13]social responsibility, all those things.
[22:15]So this year, it actually happens in September,
[22:18]but we're guiding people through three weeks of many challenges
[22:22]like wake up and don't look at your phone for 15 to 30 minutes.
[22:24]Do something else.
[22:25]Replace it with something else you love doing.
[22:27]Don't have it at meals.
[22:28]All these many challenges.
[22:29]And then this week is we're inviting everyone
[22:32]to do a text about with us for four weekends in a row
[22:34]because that's how you build a habit.
[22:35]Now, even though your listeners are listening to this
[22:37]after that's happened, this is the first time
[22:39]we're going to leave everything up.
[22:40]So whenever you hear this, you can go to the site
[22:44]and go to 24.6-life.com.
[22:46]And it's 24 the number, s-i-x-life.com.
[22:50]And say, I want to try this.
[22:51]And we will kind of walk you through an eight week program
[22:54]really for free of just with inspiring short films
[22:58]and research and articles that will make you want to do it
[23:01]and approaches to get your family on board
[23:03]and all this kind of stuff to kind of walk you through
[23:04]the process.
[23:05]And of course, in the book, as you said, it's memoir,
[23:08]but there's a lot of like, how do I really bring this
[23:09]into my life and what are some bigger ideas around this?
[23:11]So the book has got everything in it.
[23:14]And then if you really want to try it,
[23:15]we'll kind of guide you through.
[23:17]Great. Well, thank you so much for sharing all this.
[23:19]Oh, yeah.
[23:20]It's not time to read books.
[23:21]Great to be here.
[23:22]Thank you.
[23:22]Thanks.
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