Adrienne Bankert, YOUR HIDDEN SUPERPOWER
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[0:53]Adrienne Bankard is the author of Your Hidden Superpower, the kindness that makes you unbeatable
[0:58]at work and connects you with anyone. She is also an Emmy award-winning journalist,
[1:02]and currently serves as a New York-based national correspondent for ABC News.
[1:06]Following a successful two-year run as the pop news anchor on the weekend edition of
[1:10]Good Morning America, Adrienne has expanded her role and covered some of the biggest stories and
[1:14]entertainment on ABC News, including reporting breaking news of the day. Her compelling interviews
[1:20]can be seen on all of ABC News' platforms, including Good Morning America World News Tonight,
[1:25]Nightline, and ABC News Live. Alumnus of the University of Southern California,
[1:29]Adrienne calls herself a tour guide providing coaching and mentoring, and is a sought-after
[1:34]and engaging speaker across the U.S., and is very involved in philanthropy. In her spare time,
[1:39]she enjoys a golf of her charitable causes and striking of conversations with strangers.
[1:44]Welcome, Adrienne. Thanks so much for coming on Moms. Don't have time to read bugs.
[1:48]Thank you for having me on, and I have to say, I'm sure you hear this all the time,
[1:51]but I love your name. Thank you. I don't hear it all the time. It's always nice to hear.
[1:56]Cool name. I'm like, Debbie, I want to know the whole story behind your name.
[2:00]Oh, I'm sure for Elizabeth, so it's not that exciting, but when I was in play group,
[2:05]a girlfriend couldn't pronounce Elizabeth, and she called me Zibith, and my parent
[2:09]turned it to Zibith. So there you go. I love your name. That is a cool story.
[2:13]Names mean something, so it's important. Oh, thank you. It's sort of been a pain most of my life
[2:18]having to tell it. Everybody gets it wrong all the time, but whatever. I'll take it.
[2:22]I love it. I love it. Well, congratulations on your book. So exciting. Your hidden super power.
[2:30]Awesome. So if you're not nice to me now in this interview, like, it just totally
[2:35]refutes the main premise of your book. I mean, and I actually differentiate nice and kind.
[2:42]I know. I have a whole thing on that. So if I was nice to you, you might be like, wait a minute,
[2:47]I thought you wanted to be kind here. That's true. Actually, I found that chapter really
[2:52]interesting the difference between nice and kind, because I hadn't really spent much time
[2:55]thinking about the difference, and which one was more important. Like you, I really do value
[3:00]kindness, and I try very hard on a daily basis to be kind and nice. But what's the main difference
[3:06]between kind and nice and just to like clear that up from the outset? Well, I have my personal
[3:12]definition is that nice is a hello in the hallway and kind is a warm embrace. So even if you don't
[3:18]physically hug somebody, you are embracing that person's presence, your conscious of where they
[3:24]might be. You know, I like to read faces. I like to examine where people are. I don't just want
[3:30]to make eye contact. I want to be fully aware of people so that, you know, say somebody's walking
[3:36]down the hallway and they look like they're having a down moment that I am conscious enough
[3:40]that I would say something to try to lift their spirits rather than just treat everybody with this
[3:45]default politeness. I call it because if you look up the word nice, it means polite and I think
[3:50]that it's good to be nice. I just think we need to graduate from nice to achieve kindness
[3:57]in order to have more fulfillment in our relationships in our life. Nice is like the gateway
[4:01]drug to kindness. Like, oh, I like that. I'm going to borrow that and I'm going to give you all the
[4:06]credit to be. Do you don't have to give me credit to you? No, it's going to be it's going to go
[4:14]all the way around the world. I love that because, you know, I don't want people to think that
[4:18]nice is foamy or nice is bad. It's just that I think of nice and how I was when I first got into
[4:26]my career and how most 20 something year olds are when they first get in their career. They are
[4:31]so nice and they're so sweet and they smile and they don't want to ripple any waves and they don't
[4:37]want to make any mistakes and they want everybody to like them. And I know there are some 20
[4:41]year olds who don't really care if somebody likes them or not. They're just going to do them. But
[4:45]I figured as I was growing up, as I was becoming a grown up, that there had to be a point in my
[4:51]life where I was not so concerned about what other people thought of me. And it was more,
[4:57]I was going to be me and be fully confident in that. And that was going to attract the relationships
[5:02]and the life and the people that I needed and wanted. So that's a difference. So in your book,
[5:07]you talk a lot about just being yourself and how important that is, right? And that's literally
[5:13]when I used to go to like sixth grade dances. My mother would say just be yourself. And I was like,
[5:17]who is that? Like, I don't know. I don't even know. I can't even think of a word to say. I'm so
[5:22]insecure right now. How do you know how to be yourself? Don't you feel like you have to get to a
[5:27]stage in life now? Of course, I know who I am, but I'm like, you know, in my 40s. So don't you
[5:32]feel like you have to first reach a certain sort of self awareness and accept it. And then you can
[5:36]act on being you or do you think that some people are, they know who they are, but they're afraid
[5:41]to show it. I think that my whole life, like you, I've heard that. And I wish looking back,
[5:47]I could tell my 12 year old self what mom really meant or what dad really meant. You know what I'm
[5:51]saying? Yes. Wouldn't it be great if we could tell our kids what just be yourself really means.
[5:56]So we could bottle it up and they wouldn't have to figure out like we did through the hard
[6:00]knocks of life or trial and error. When I saw kindness and I studied kindness and used my desire
[6:08]for research as a journalist to kind of delve deeper into it. I realized the kindness was more
[6:13]than a random act or politeness. It was our identity. And when I looked up the word kind of like
[6:18]kind and I'm looking it up in the dictionary, I'm like, okay, yes, it means thoughtfulness, but then
[6:22]it also means nature and natural propensity and determination. I said, oh my goodness, we all are
[6:27]the human kind for a reason that in our DNA, that's who we are. So if I'm kind, then that means
[6:34]I'm just being myself. It was just like a big old light bulb looked on in my head because in this
[6:41]quest for success or contentment or satisfaction, I was not satisfied considering myself
[6:50]who I was or just be yourself based on what I did. I didn't want it to be my career made me feel
[6:56]like myself or my friends made me feel like myself. I was like, what is the essence of identity
[7:02]anyways? How can I bottle this up and how can I make it super practical where anybody on the planet
[7:06]could understand it? And it was kindness. There you go. It's right there, right there in front of you,
[7:11]along. Very simple. And the thing is, it's universal. Like we have conversations about inclusivity
[7:17]and diversity and wanting to raise good children. And you know, I was noticing articles like if you
[7:21]asked Kim Kardashian, which you want so kids to be like, one of those top three things is going to
[7:25]be kind. You know, if you ask Gary V, what she thinks are strengths, one of the top three things
[7:31]is going to be kindness. So looking at successful people, looking at famous people and people who
[7:37]even run companies, I just was like, you know what? In work, we need kindness as much as we need talent
[7:44]as much as we need people who have a great education. So it was like the universal language
[7:50]that we could all employ to shift the paradigm around what it means to be ourselves.
[7:55]And in your book, you talk about how using kindness allowed you to reach people like Hugh
[8:00]Jackman on much more of a fundamental level and how his mom, you know, had to try to instill kindness
[8:05]in him. And so you were like giving his mom kind of props by saying like, yeah, yeah,
[8:11]Megan, and Hugh Jackman both said the same thing that their mom was told them to lead with kindness
[8:17]to be kind and that that stuck with them as grownups. And, you know, I just was talking to a
[8:22]friend or hearing her story. She has a son who's I think nine years old now. He got told by his school
[8:28]that he couldn't come back because he had been having a problem with his temper. And I think about
[8:32]the children that we are raising now and how the concern of moms is like, I want my kid to be a
[8:37]good person. But we are surrounded by people who are still dealing with the same things that they
[8:43]dealt with when they were nine or 12 years old to know that kindness made such an impact on
[8:49]somebody like Hugh Jackman to me is a little bit of an encouragement that moms you are getting
[8:53]through to your kids by telling them to be kind. But I wanted to make it something where a kid could
[8:59]read this book, a grownup could read this book, a CEO could read this book, a child could read this
[9:04]book, and it's still get the same thing that kindness is the smartest thing you can do to be
[9:08]satisfied and be successful. And I like how in the book you address some people I think feel
[9:13]well I'll be taking advantage of if I'm too nice or I'm going to be a promotion over like that
[9:17]whole, you know, gets a bad rap sometimes being nice. So you're being kind rather sorry.
[9:25]Changing the whole language. Changing my language. Got to toss out the words.
[9:28]So how do you make sure that people's kindness that it doesn't lend them to get taken advantage of?
[9:34]How do they make sure that other people don't misinterpret it and misuse it? And I guess you
[9:39]can't really do anything. You can't. What I think is, you know, and I thought about like what
[9:45]I would say to a child or what I would say to somebody who was just starting their career,
[9:50]I have had to learn over time and through mentoring that I've got to be me and be able to stand
[9:56]alone in that if necessary. You know, I can't allow-
[10:00]circumstances to change me. Like, whatever's going on around me, stress, anxiety, fighting.
[10:07]If I stay kind, if I remain anchored in kindness, then I am going to just be myself even when
[10:13]the whole world shut down. Even when people are mad, even when it's really tense at work.
[10:18]And even when people might try to take advantage of me, I think one of the biggest lessons I
[10:24]learned was actually from a woman who's still in my life. She's one of my best friends that she
[10:27]mentored me for so many years. And she'd be like, Adrian, know your players. And I talk about that
[10:32]in one of the chapters of the book. Because if you know your friends and you know your colleagues
[10:36]better, then you know what to do. It's not, kindness is not this blanket. Oh, just let everybody walk
[10:43]all over you and just do everything for them and just serve and everything's going to be right
[10:47]with the world. It's not that. Kindness is sometimes keeping your mouth shut because what you say could
[10:52]be used against you in a negative way by somebody who says they're your friend. By keeping quiet,
[10:59]not only do you prevent conflict, but you also protect yourself. And that's what I want people to know
[11:04]is that it's not just blanket, do good or book. It's be aware, be conscious of the people around you,
[11:13]even those who may have ulterior motives. So as I said, I think it's important to be kind. I think
[11:18]most people would agree with you, philosophical thoughts. And yet I didn't dedicate however long
[11:23]and took you to write this book to writing a book about kindness. So what was it about this
[11:27]concept that made you think like, okay, this is my book. This is what I want to work on. This is it.
[11:34]It wasn't my idea. Okay. My mentor told me to write it because I wanted to write a book for years.
[11:40]I said, I'm going to write a book. I'm going to write a book. I put it on my goal list, writing a book
[11:44]this year. And it never happened. And then the year that I wrote, I am a published author.
[11:49]Is the year it actually happened that I got the publishing deal. So I'm a really big believer in
[11:54]writing things down and being specific with your goals. But at the time when I was on this quest of
[12:00]how can I grow up to be the woman that I always wanted to be? You know, I was really thinking about
[12:06]what is the key to fulfillment. My mentor had called me and said, I know what you should write a
[12:10]a book on. You should write a book on kindness. And I listened to him. And because I listened to him
[12:16]when I would not have written a book on kindness, that's why we have the book. It ended up helping
[12:20]me get to the answers about fulfillment and identity and authenticity and connection, which I'm
[12:25]hugely, hugely invested in. But he's the one that told me I should write a book on kindness,
[12:31]because he knew that I had been so intentional in the workplace specifically about being kind.
[12:36]All right. So maybe you could just hook me up with him and he could tell me what to write a book
[12:40]I will do it. We can holler at Bill, Bill, because if he wants to know, they'll tell you I'm
[12:46]serious. I bet. Is he is either one who wrote the forward to the book? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And he could
[12:53]tell you, he's in Sacramento actually right now he can Texas, but I will I will connect you.
[12:59]So how long did it take for you to write the book? What was the process like after all this,
[13:03]you know, intentional saying you were going to do it sitting down to do it. What was it like
[13:07]better worth the same? Easy. Easy. It was actually the easiest thing in the world to write
[13:13]the book. It took about eight months. I wrote different chapters down. Like my process was to write
[13:18]the names of the chapters that I wanted in the book. Those changed. But overall, they were
[13:22]like the same skeleton. And then in my travels, like I'd be in Tokyo and I'd be writing about
[13:27]what was happening with me. And it ended up lending itself to what was in the book. I was in
[13:32]Prague and I was writing. I was on planes between the United States. And I don't know where
[13:37]I was going to Hong Kong. But I just write down different things and they would spark the chapters
[13:44]and kind of develop from there. So a lot of writing on. Yeah. I think that's the best place to write.
[13:49]It's the best place to do anything. Like nobody bothers you. It's like the only protected space
[13:54]in the world is up in the air. Well, you're above the fray. I like to say like you're above the
[13:59]things that kind of keep us too busy to sit down and write. But it's very therapeutic. And once
[14:04]you get it out, like once you realize what's inside of you, it's like, oh, yeah, this is exactly what's
[14:09]going on. And you just like put it on paper. The hardest process for me was like the editing process
[14:14]and what else needs to go in and what else needs to take out, you know, that was challenging that
[14:20]took forever. And is there an example of a time where you felt like the kindness worked against you at
[14:26]work ever? And like, what did you do about that? I don't think that there was a time that kind
[14:31]this works against me. I'm trying to think I write about in the book where there was this one
[14:38]moment where I was in Florida for a story and I had to rush to the airport to leave. And I found
[14:43]out my friend's husband was actually flying out at the same time. And so I said, oh, you know,
[14:49]let's connect. So I sat down. I talked to him and I had made time to drop off a friend's birthday gift
[14:55]at the FedEx before I left. Like I was endeavouring to really like take care of people while I was on
[15:00]this mission to get out of town. And I left my coat at the TSA. But I didn't know that until I was on
[15:07]the plane and realized that now my coat and was one of my favorite coats. And I was just like,
[15:11]no, because I hate losing things. And I thought to myself, did this like trying to like be everybody's,
[15:19]you know, kind partner of intentional relationships, screw me over because I was like too
[15:25]busy to notice that I left my coat. Like I'm sitting there like questioning everything I did.
[15:30]And then I said, shut your mouth. Like just be quiet, chill out. Like you lost your coat. You're
[15:34]going to get your coat back. We got to figure this out. And I think that sometimes in life,
[15:38]we second guess ourselves because we really are endeavouring to be good humans. And we think it's
[15:44]coming back to us in a negative way or, you know, we're being penalized for being good people.
[15:49]But don't listen. That's a voice of self doubt. Keep doing you. Keep being just yourself
[15:54]as your mom will say, shout out to my mom. Yes, who's a wise woman for other people who are trying
[16:02]to write books. What advice would you have for them? Just be yourself. I really was about to say that.
[16:09]You have to use the key. I know. I know. Well, it's funny because the biggest challenge for me,
[16:16]because this is my first book, it was super easy to just put it all out there, right? But then
[16:21]when you get other people involved in your publishing, you sometimes question yourself. Like,
[16:27]am I doing this right? I should listen to you because you are an expert. And there are things that
[16:31]you need to listen to a publishing team and copy editors and marketing people all about, right? I
[16:38]get that. But at the heart of your storytelling, you have to maintain that you know better than
[16:44]anybody. What your story is. And don't be inflexible. Don't be difficult. But goodness gracious,
[16:51]I caused myself so much more grief because I was questioning my own story at certain times in the
[16:59]editing process. And it's like, no, you have to have the resolve. And you have to follow peaks. I
[17:05]say that if you're, if you get all like anxious written and still like tight and stressed out about
[17:10]something, know that you're not necessarily going in the right direction. You want to pause
[17:14]and just say time out. I know I have a deadline, but I've got to be true to my voice. And because
[17:19]I was true to my voice when we got this book done, I was like, I can stand behind everything that's
[17:22]in it. Yes. So what do you attribute to your success professionally? You're an Emmy award-winning
[17:29]a guru, author, broadcaster, journalist. What do you think it was? Is it something just in your DNA?
[17:37]You always knew you would achieve this or is it something with your family? Or is it I know obviously
[17:42]kindness plays a huge role, but there are, you know, there are a million people who don't
[17:48]achieve what you did. Or what do you think it was? I think it's that I didn't quit because I
[17:54]think that for me, you know, when I was about 23 24, I expected all of this that's happening
[18:00]now to already been happen. You know, like, I really was always thinking I was delayed
[18:06]and that I was late. And I thought, you know, why is it taking me so long to get to this point or
[18:11]that goal or whatever? And everybody's journey is so different. And you have to embrace the fact
[18:18]that life is not fair. I'm glad that I learned at a young age that disappointment causes more
[18:24]people to quit than anything. That life didn't turn out the way they thought it was going to be at
[18:28]25 at 30 at 35 at 40, you know, there are these, these individual goals and landmarks that we
[18:37]decide this has to happen or I'm no longer a success. And once I realized that that was the trick
[18:45]that life tries to play with you, I decided I was going to overcome that way of thinking and
[18:50]determine to keep going. I don't care how long it takes. I don't care what I have to do.
[18:55]This is what's in my heart. I'm going to keep going for it. And I think the other thing that's
[18:58]really helps me to be successful is I say that mentors are two were guides. And I have a great
[19:05]mentor in my life, but I also mentor other people and I have for over a decade. And being
[19:11]somebody else's tour guide is a teaching for you. And it helps reveal different things that you
[19:17]need to work on in your life. And so removing those blind spots helps us to find the treasure map
[19:24]that's specific to us so that we can stay on orbit so that we can stay on our path. So
[19:30]those are two things. I love that. I love that treasure map analogy of life, right? Because we're
[19:36]all just trying to get somewhere. We're all looking for our pot of gold, whatever that means,
[19:41]it may not actually be gold. It may be something else. But yeah, we're all looking for it.
[19:45]One of the biggest lessons I've learned is that for me personally, when you hide who you are,
[19:52]when you hide your gifts, you're doing it to service to everybody else. And I think sometimes we
[19:57]try to be either too nice or we try to...
[20:00]fit into this mold or we try to do the right thing. And when we are just ourselves and stop hiding
[20:05]behind what we think should be, we are a lot more satisfied and fulfilled. And it doesn't matter
[20:11]what you do in life, any industry, like for the love of God, everybody stop hiding. Like that
[20:17]would be the mantra for this year. Stop hiding. Get out there. Show people what you're working with,
[20:22]you know? And yet we're all at home, you know, forced into forced into this like, you know,
[20:28]hibernation. We're forced into creativity. We're forced into innovation. I was feeling that
[20:34]same way myself. Like, God, what am I going to do? Because I'm such a social butterfly. I'm sure you
[20:38]are as well. Yes. And it's like, I've decided that if I could do anything, kind this can't be beat
[20:45]by anything. So what would I do that was kind that would get me out of my own head? And that's
[20:50]when the innovation came back. Like, that's why they call it a breath of fresh air because it clears
[20:54]the air and gives you clarity. It's like, oh, I just got a fresh idea because I'm thinking of
[20:59]other people instead of my own isolation. So what was your, what were your ideas? What did you do?
[21:04]How did you get through it so far? Oh, we're going to, we're going to keep, we're going to keep
[21:07]it going. No, just sorry. I just, I have to, I have to know now, like, what was your rent? And then
[21:12]I'll let you go. I promise. No, no, it's all good. I'm happy to keep chatting. So like, for example,
[21:18]I'm from a big family. I'm from seven kids. So being isolated where you can't go out,
[21:23]you can't see people was just like more devastating than I realized it would be. Like at my heart,
[21:30]like my, it was like I felt it here. Like this is terrible. You know? And so I thought, okay,
[21:37]Adrian, read your own book. And I literally read my own book to get to this answer. I said,
[21:43]okay, who do you want to help right now? Who does your heartbreak for? Who do you care about? I care
[21:48]about people who are living by themselves who don't know what to do, who feel disconnected. Okay,
[21:55]so what would you tell them? What would you say to them? Because like, I had to take myself out of
[21:59]the equation. Kindness is about giving other people their answer, answering their ass. I call it.
[22:06]So I was like, okay, so their ask is, how do I get out of this? I said, okay, well, then you have to
[22:10]create the light at the end of the tunnel for yourself. Like when there is no light at the tunnel,
[22:15]or at the end of the tunnel, then create your own light. So I said, I would tell them to write a letter
[22:20]to themselves. And so I said, Adrian, you need to write a letter to yourself. And so I wrote a letter
[22:26]and I recorded that. And I actually told good morning America, like, can we do this and tell people to
[22:32]write their letter? And as you know, because you love authors and books so much, writing is just one of
[22:36]the most powerful things you can do. And so I really felt like it was important to share our stories
[22:42]surrounding this. So that was my first idea was write your future self-eletter to tell yourself
[22:49]how strong you are because you were strong enough to make it through. And then after that,
[22:56]I said, well, what else can you do? Well, I miss people's faces. So I started sending video
[23:01]texts instead of regular text messages. And, you know, when you would say, okay, I hope you're
[23:05]safe or stay strong or, you know, the things that we've been saying to each other,
[23:09]instead, I would make a video and say, you're amazing. I can't wait to see your face,
[23:13]like, I just wanted to tell you. And like, make it a 10 second selfie video. And people were
[23:17]really, like, lifted by that. They'd smile because it was like, oh my gosh, I'll face, you know,
[23:22]I haven't seen one in a while. And then the third thing is GMA asked me what are five things that
[23:29]you do for your own mental health. And so thinking about kindness, thinking about ways that I've
[23:34]reached out was one way. But also, I do talk about this in the book. You do need to be kind to
[23:39]yourself and deep breathing, journaling, again, writing, taking walks, just to clear your head,
[23:45]stop overthinking. And then relying on that inner circle that you do have, not thinking that you
[23:50]have to do this alone. Because even if we're alone in our houses, we're not really alone from
[23:55]the people who love us and care about us, our friendships. There's somebody who cares. And then
[23:59]the other thing is one of my colleagues, actually, one of my cameramen had accidentally called me
[24:05]during this whole thing. And I said, Hey, and I said, Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I called you
[24:09]an accident. I said, No, I'm so glad you called me. Because I know he lives alone. I said,
[24:13]how are you? And he's like, I'm not doing so hot. And I said, Okay, I was like, I'm calling you
[24:20]every once in a while. Like, I'll adopt you. Like, I'm like your daughter. Like, I'm just going to check
[24:24]in. And I really, really believe that this needs to continue, no matter what we're going through,
[24:30]like, it's not normal to be disconnected. It's not normal to not check in with people or you
[24:36]know what I'm saying? Like, call your friends, call people you care about. Call your colleagues,
[24:41]call your clients just because, so those are the things that snapped me out of it because it
[24:47]really, really hit me hard. Like, it kind of breaks. Those are great suggestions. I love that little
[24:52]video clip. I feel like people might be like, Oh, enough. Stop from me. I don't know. But I love it.
[24:58]That's a great idea because I would love to receive that from friends, right? So anyway,
[25:02]those are all. Do what you would want done for you. Like, everybody's different, right? But
[25:09]you would want to see somebody's face. Like, that would make you happy. That's why I do this all day
[25:13]long. That can help you. So much. I mean, it's amazing. Every day I'm talking to, you know,
[25:21]one to five new people and getting to know them. It's amazing. It's so fulfilling to me. And then
[25:27]I can like go back into the rest of my, my house and deal with the kids and the housework and
[25:31]all the rest of it. And it like, you know, it fills my bucket for that, you know, to use that cheesy
[25:36]phrase. But it really does. So well, and that, and that's the thing is that we have, you know,
[25:41]so much tension or whatever. And it's like that can lend itself to other emotional rawness,
[25:48]where you might have an outburst or you might even mean like, and it's up to us to keep
[25:54]ourselves centered in who we are, our kind selves, our highest self, so that we are prepared
[26:01]for that tense moment or that because the world, the pressure is not going away. But our
[26:06]response to it is our responsibility. And if we center it in kindness, we're a lot more in control
[26:11]than we know. We're a lot stronger. I'm hoping the current stress goes down a little bit. That would
[26:16]be nice. From your lips. I would love to take back my old bucket of stresses
[26:24]that I thought were a big deal. That would be like a walk in the park.
[26:30]Well, I think no matter what the stress is, I don't think it's ever going away, but I also think
[26:34]that kindness is never going away. It's never going out of style. And I think, you know, for a lot
[26:40]of us is, I mean, I said, but a lot of us is women. We think about the shelf life of what we're
[26:45]doing. I think a lot of times, like, how long am I going to be able to get to do this? You know,
[26:49]with parents, like, well, one day they're going to move out and, you know, it's going to be an
[26:54]empty nest. My friend's thinking about that because her daughter's 16, just like she's leaving soon,
[26:59]you know? And it's like, so take all the things in your life that have a shelf life out of the
[27:04]picture. And what are you left with? There are only a few things that are timeless. And kindness
[27:10]makes you timeless. And it was Diane Von Furstenberg's book where she was quoted as saying,
[27:15]like, I didn't know what I wanted to do when I was in my 20s, but I knew what kind of woman I
[27:18]wanted to be. That makes us so timeless. We will be classics. And that's what I wanted.
[27:25]Like, what can I do in this world that will never be told to be like, nope, you're too late.
[27:31]That's past. That was a trend. It was kindness. So kindness and perhaps the Diane Von Furstenberg
[27:38]dress. I'll take it. Well, okay, thank you. Sorry for extending this, but I'm so glad I did
[27:51]because those were those were great pieces of advice. And I loved hearing how you are getting through
[27:55]this time because, you know, everybody needs someone else's perspective every so often to
[28:00]pick them up and get them past this finish line. So thank you for all that. And thanks again for
[28:04]all your time. Oh my gosh. Thank you. It was a pleasure. So much. Thanks again for listening to
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