Tara Stiles, CLEAN MIND, CLEAN BODY
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[1:17]of the July Book Blast. This is Thursday's Body Blast. Let's call it that the Body Blast.
[1:23]And I'm calling it that because one author is ballerina. One is a yoga teacher and one
[1:29]investigates DNA. So that's why I hope you'll enjoy these varied takes on the human body.
[1:36]Tara Stiles is the founder of Strahla, the revolutionary approach to being, moving, and healing.
[1:42]Strahla teaches yoga, Tai Chi, and traditional Chinese medicine to help people
[1:45]release stress, let go of bad habits, and move easily through all kinds of challenges. Strahla
[1:51]is practiced in more than 100 countries, and thousands of guides are leading Strahla classes daily
[1:55]around the globe. Tara has authored several best-selling books, including Yoga Cures,
[2:00]Make Your Own Rules, Diet, and Strahla Yoga. She's been profiled by The New York Times,
[2:05]The Times of India, The Times in the UK, and featured in most major national and international
[2:10]magazine. She is a sought-after speaker and topics of entrepreneurship, health, and well-being.
[2:15]Harvard even profiled Tara's work in a case study, and she has spoken with students at Harvard
[2:19]and NYU about her experience and approaches to creativity and leadership. She currently lives in
[2:25]New York City with her husband and their daughter Daisy. Her most recent book, by the way,
[2:29]was Helping Advise on National Geographic's Book of Animal Yoga Foses, which is amazing.
[2:38]Hi! I'm excited to talk to you again. I know we discussed yoga animals on Instagram Live,
[2:44]which I have here, and I think I didn't have it in front of me last time, even though it was
[2:48]upstairs. But anyway, yeah, now at least we can chat for a few extra minutes, and we can hear
[2:52]about all the rest of your stuff, and not just this book. But for listeners who don't know about
[2:59]yoga animals, which is a national geographic kid's collaboration that you did, you were the yoga
[3:05]expert for them on this book, which is called, which the subtitle of which is a wild introduction
[3:10]to kid-friendly poses. So tell everybody a little more about your role in the yoga community,
[3:17]and then how you ended up being a consultant for a place like National Geographic, which is pretty
[3:22]awesome. Yeah, that's that is pretty wild. I mean, pretty simple. I started a tiny little studio
[3:29]in 2008 in my boyfriend at the Times Department and ended up marrying him. He was nice about it.
[3:34]And, you know, the idea was to move in a way that felt good to you, and that was really,
[3:40]if you can believe it or not, scandalous at the time within the yoga world. I was playing
[3:45]kind of soft, feel good music that people could identify with. And that was also very scandalous at
[3:50]the time. But I wasn't trying to start all these problems. It was more, you know, I learned about
[3:55]yoga as a young kid in a dance program. And my first thought was this is incredible. This is amazing.
[4:01]I had a really good teacher. My second thought was, why don't my friends do this? And then I just
[4:06]started walking around and talking to people about yoga. And then I realized, you know, all the
[4:11]misconceptions, people felt like they weren't included or they weren't flexible or it was against
[4:15]their religion. And, you know, I get it. There's all these different kinds of communities. But I just
[4:20]saw, I wouldn't even say an opportunity. I think it kind of kept pulling me in. I just started
[4:25]sharing yoga with my friends in the apartment. And one thing kept leading to another. And, you know,
[4:31]it's, it's a global thing, I guess now with what we offer. We have a community of guides. We
[4:37]call our instructor's guides. I never liked the word teacher. I thought that was, I mean, I was
[4:41]20 years old teaching yoga to doctors and lawyers and all these smart people. And I knew how to
[4:47]how to lead them through a yoga practice safely. So the word guide really made a lot of sense.
[4:52]My husband and boyfriend at the time was a mountain climber. So he was saying, oh, well, a guide,
[4:56]you walk up the mountain. And that's the person who's done it before. But you're also doing it too.
[5:00]And I'm like, oh, let's just say that. It was more of a self deprecating move, I guess.
[5:07]But I just, I didn't feel like there was a lot. I was a lot I had to say and a lot I wanted to
[5:12]express for people to experience yoga in a way that felt like them. And a tool that you could use
[5:19]instead of this thing that you needed to live up to in a way. So, so yeah, kept, you know, kept
[5:25]bringing more opportunities into my life. And, you know, I had no choice but to keep saying yes.
[5:30]And, you know, 10 years later, it kept going. And one thing kept leading to another. And, you know,
[5:35]got an email from National Geographic and thought it was a joke deleted at a few times.
[5:42]So yeah, happy to help them. And, you know, if I can offer especially with the language in the book
[5:47]for the little ones, not to have them re-language or be read language that makes them feel like
[5:53]they're not able to do something. So, you know, instructing in a way that's about moving your body
[5:58]in a way that feels good for you and nice for you instead of trying to push your body in a
[6:03]a certain way or make a certain shape as the goal. So, that's really been the basis of what
[6:09]what I've been sharing for the last, you know, couple decades, I guess. Amazing.
[6:13]So, what does yoga do for you? Like, what are you, what makes you so passionate about it that
[6:18]you want to share it with everyone that you know and you don't know and everything else?
[6:22]I mean, I think just basically it helps me feel better so I can do better. I mean, it's sort of
[6:29]of this lock-in key for everything that I am. You know, I feel like if I don't do it, if I don't
[6:35]have a period of time where I'm thinking this way, I'm doing these things that I sort of,
[6:40]I can become distant from myself and I just know that from my own experience and I know when I,
[6:46]you know, it's not about the poses, it's not about the length of time, it's just about getting
[6:50]on the floor, connecting with myself, doing that for a few moments every day at any part of the day
[6:55]where I feel disconnected and I automatically, it works every single time, feel better. It's like
[7:00]magic fairy dust in a kind of corny way, but it's sort of, if I need to rest, it tells me to rest.
[7:06]If I need to speed up, it tells me to speed up. If I need to, you know, read one of the books you
[7:11]suggest, it says, go do that now. It's like the intuition becomes like a highway instead of like,
[7:17]oh, maybe I should follow that. It's like, nope, you're following that. It's sort of like,
[7:21]I feel like I'm put on a train and going in the right direction when I practice. So,
[7:28]and I think that's because I do yoga in a way where it feels good for me and I refuse to do yoga
[7:34]in a way where it's about contorting my body into a certain pose. And for me, I know that that
[7:40]works really, really well and when I share that people seem to have it work well for them too.
[7:45]So I'm, you know, how can I not give that to people once I've had that experience myself or at
[7:51]least show them that they can do it themselves and guide them so they can become guides of their
[7:56]family. And I think, you know, I think it's simple. It's sort of like, you know, we all can do it.
[8:01]It's just like reading. I feel like, you know, if I could have 40 more years doing this and
[8:06]get to a point where I've convinced enough people that yoga is the same as reading. You just
[8:11]open up a book and do it. You just get on the floor and do it. Then I think that's, you know,
[8:15]a good thing. How about yoga while reading? Maybe I could combine forces here and put, you know,
[8:22]like, downward dog at the book like here and then, you know, two birds with one stone.
[8:28]Absolutely. I mean, especially, you know, I think it's important with yoga to always be comfortable,
[8:34]always be changing your position. And, you know, if you're sitting and you're reading and you're
[8:38]just sitting and, you know, taking an information into your mind, you know, taking an information
[8:43]in your whole self with your breath and allowing your body to move. And, and yeah, that's,
[8:47]that's, that's what we do that. We can do a class. So it's one thing for you to teach yoga and then
[8:53]create a whole, you know, network of guides to teach other people through your philosophy. But
[8:59]writing about yoga, I would think is a challenge. I tried at one point to write about all these
[9:04]different fitness moves and I remember thinking like, okay, well, what do I say now? Like, move
[9:08]your foot to the right and like, not that they're always so prescriptive, but you've written a lot
[9:12]about yoga. So what are some of the tricks of the trade to make it easy for people to follow and
[9:17]understand and get your overall message as well? Well, I mean, honestly, it's funny because you're
[9:22]such a book industry person, but for me in the beginning, it was getting the editor out of the way
[9:29]because, you know, even in like the first yoga book I wrote was, I don't know, it was still
[9:36]before there was a lot of yoga books. So there was some instructions in there, but there was still,
[9:41]you know, there'd be like the person who's the fitness expert that wants to make it about the
[9:45]physicality. And yeah, you need to say where to put your foot and that's absolutely important,
[9:50]but it's also important to not say, you know, squeeze your thigh, you know, it's important to
[9:55]talk about the movement. And, you know, my background is in dance primarily. So
[10:00]sort of describing yoga as movement. I feel is much more open than describing yoga as poses that
[10:08]you should be able to do exactly. So it's sort of like, yeah, obviously you're going to bring
[10:12]your foot forward, but before you do that, you should lean to the side and then bring you
[10:16]forward so you have some room for the foot to come forward. So, you know, my descriptions
[10:22]tended to be especially when I was figuring it out in my first few times writing about yoga.
[10:27]a lot longer and then I would infuse way too much language of, you know, if it feels good or when
[10:32]you're ready and then I realize that if you just describe things as clear, like, Hemingway is
[10:38]clearly as simply as possible, then there's so much beauty in that and that will be conveyed. So I
[10:43]think that's, you know, how I came about, you know, learning about writing in general was through
[10:48]writing yoga movements or a little prescriptive, you know, five movements for a headache or whatever and
[10:54]figuring out how to do that in a way that wasn't just about, you know, moving your body around.
[10:59]So yeah. And tell me a little more about your dance career and how that all, where that,
[11:05]where the main challenges were and the best parts and like how you ended up getting off that path.
[11:12]Yeah, I mean, I'm from this tiny little ring-heating town where there's like one little dance
[11:16]studio and you go and do these really terrible competitions where you, you know, your parents put
[11:20]blue eyeshadow on you and send you off. But I loved, I didn't love all the blue eyeshadow,
[11:26]but I loved going to these places outside of my small town and learning from, you know, the best
[11:32]choreographers in New York and you're up and everything. And then I, you know, I get little prizes and,
[11:37]you know, people would say, oh, you should do this for your, for your living. And I'm like, just leave
[11:40]me here, you know, I always like, I always had to go back, which was fine. My parents were like,
[11:45]you can't leave when you're 16. You just, they were not going to move to New York. So anyway, so I
[11:51]ended up going to this dance conservatory after high school for a little bit. And it was wonderful.
[11:55]It was like a whole world of everything I wanted from age five. But like, you know, long after that.
[12:02]So my ballet teacher was with American Ballet Theatre in New York in the 70s when yoga was kind
[12:07]of having its first moment, I guess in New York. And he brought in, which was kind of new
[12:12]in ballet programs that he brought in yoga on Fridays for like relaxation. And that was the
[12:16]first time I took a yoga class. And it was this guy sitting in the front of the room and he was sort
[12:22]of happy for no reason at all. And I remember just being so amazed and confused. Like, you can't
[12:29]be getting a lot of money for doing this. Nobody's even paying attention to you. And you're still
[12:33]happy. So I was just super curious and I wanted to learn everything about it. And I love the
[12:37]experience of the physical practice. He was just super simple. It was, you know, kind of before
[12:42]all the yoga explosion of styles and all of that. So it's just a kind of normal experience. And
[12:47]I felt like I was in my own spaceship where I could connect to myself. And I remember my first
[12:51]thought being, yeah, this is incredible. And then I opened up my eyes and like, why doesn't everybody
[12:56]do this? What I was like, what's going on? It was sort of like discovering reading, you know, if
[13:02]you're the only one in the world that reads. So I was, you know, pissed to be honest. And like,
[13:08]what am I going to do? You know, so there was no yoga teacher that I knew. Like, I thought this guy
[13:13]was like from a spaceship or something sent down from Planet Zoltar. You know, there's nobody
[13:17]like him. He's got to have another job. He's probably a secretary at Sprint or something who knows. So,
[13:22]you know, this was not a career decision. So, you know, as dancing, I thought that would be my job.
[13:27]I moved to New York was dancing in some small companies. But I was always kind of, I wouldn't take a job
[13:32]for a company full-time because I had this sort of hesitation of I wanted to be open in some way
[13:37]to do other things. So I think that was sort of the early stages of yoga kind of pulling me in a
[13:42]little bit because if you, you know, if you say yes to the company, then like you're on tour,
[13:47]you do the whole thing. It's sort of like you're stuck with that for, you know, until they fire
[13:51]you basically. And then you work in the costume department there. Which would have been fine,
[13:57]but I kept, you know, getting these other, you know, other gigs and like opportunities to dance in
[14:03]a Matthew Barney film or like a strange, you know, Whitney Houston video or something. And it was
[14:09]always these things that would, you know, give me a little bit of money to pay my rent and be a
[14:13]fun opportunity and kept kind of pulling me out of making that decision to join these more well-known
[14:19]troops and things. So, but, you know, I guess somewhere along the line, you know, yoga kept
[14:24]pulling me in and, you know, I would go to find my way into some class or some workshop or some
[14:29]talk or some poetry reading or, you know, finding all these people like imparting wisdom and
[14:34]I'd be like, you know, they'd be on flyers somewhere. But, you know, like, it just kept finding
[14:40]me until I couldn't take it anymore. And then I just, you know, started sharing it with friends
[14:45]and anybody that I would meet that would have, you know, back pain or stress. I would show them
[14:49]a few things they could do and they always felt better and that made me feel good. But I still
[14:53]thought it wasn't a respectable way to spend my time. Or, you know, anything I could be able to
[15:00]earn a living at or what one or what even won a earn a living at. But yeah, one thing just kept
[15:05]leading to another and, you know, starting the small studio was still just a hobby. It was fun
[15:10]and it just started to take up more and more of my time. So how big is the whole thing? Because
[15:15]I know you're like every of all these classes, like, tell me what it's grown to.
[15:20]Okay, well now, I guess why no it's the pandemic time-ish? So, you know, before a pre-pandemic,
[15:27]let's say. Well, I mean, it's kind of cool. Like, it's very decentralized, which I'm happy
[15:31]about because I never wanted to be like, I'm this yoga person, follow me around. So, you know,
[15:37]we've led trainings over the years and things like that. So there's, you know, a few thousand
[15:41]guides around the world doing this. And it's cool because we all are in this community together
[15:46]and we all know each other and support each other. And everybody's doing their own thing. And so
[15:50]we also have partner studios and partner online studios now, a lot of them have gone online.
[15:55]So it's pretty global. I mean, it's in, I guess, 100 countries. You know, if we set down and looked
[16:00]at where everybody is and everything. But that's what's cool about it. It's sort of like
[16:05]people that have the same idea of yoga should be something that feels good for you. And they
[16:10]want to share that. And that's, I think that's gotten as spread as it's gotten because, you know,
[16:16]a lot of people just want to feel better. They want to something that helps them feel better,
[16:20]something that doesn't make them feel worse. So yeah, you know, it's a bunch of partner studios,
[16:27]thousands of guides and they're everywhere. I mean, they have, you know, they have their own studios,
[16:31]they teach in gyms, they teach in other people's yoga studios. So we're very kind of
[16:36]open in that way. It's not like, you know, a soul cycle where it owns the stral yoga only happens
[16:41]in this place. And we also don't care. People do the training and they don't call it stral yoga.
[16:45]They just have a yoga class somewhere. And, you know, I'm just much more about showing people
[16:51]a way to do this. That feels good. And then a lot of people want to stay within the community and
[16:54]a lot of people want to just take it into their life in a different way. So yeah, I'm just happy
[17:00]that I get to be a part of that. And how I know a lot of former dancers have all sorts of pain
[17:05]or physical sort of leftovers from the past or a lot of athletes. Do you have any of that or
[17:11]do you feel like your integration of yoga into your day to day life has sort of mitigated any of
[17:16]the lasting pain that you kind of sustained? I mean, I don't know what's wrong with me, but the only
[17:23]time I ever hurt myself was when I was trying to be a goofball and jumped over a ballet bar and
[17:27]broke my toe. I was like trying to show off for my friends. And it was of course like right before
[17:34]performance. So I had to like perform of the broken toe. But that's still kind of, you know,
[17:38]your broken toe never quite heals. But I guess I just got lucky. And I think, you know, mainly
[17:43]I had really great teachers that, you know, they weren't telling us to force ourselves. They weren't
[17:49]like telling us to, you know, be bad to our bodies. And, you know, they were professional dancers. And,
[17:54]you know, my modern teacher was Eileen properly. And she was like in the station wagon with
[17:59]Paul Taylor, like one of the first dancers. So she would, you know, she'd get mad if we were
[18:04]working in a way where we would injure ourselves. She's like, how do you want to have a career?
[18:09]I was sort of like, I know a lot of people have that experience of injuring themselves so much
[18:14]a dance. But I just, you know, I never fell or I never like had, you know, a lot of my friends,
[18:20]like they would have falls from some boy dropping them wrong layer something like that. But
[18:25]I was also so tall that I didn't do a lot of, I did some partner work. But yeah, I was like,
[18:30]as tall as the guys. So there was, there wasn't a whole lot of lifting of me happening.
[18:34]How tall are you? It's hard to see. I'm sorry to tell. I'm like five, eight and a half. So
[18:39]I'm not that bad. They're taller. I'm not like, I'm not like six feet. Literally, I thought
[18:43]you were going to say, I'm six, three. You know, whatever. You just don't know when you're like on
[18:48]the phone or whatever. That's funny. And what about collaborating with your husband? How's that been?
[18:52]Well, yeah, I joke with him. I said, you know, you were the first straight guy that I met
[18:56]that did yoga. So that's how you, that's how I said, yeah. But no, I mean, he's, you know, he,
[19:02]I met him at this yoga thing. And he was like the first straight guy that I ever really talked to
[19:06]that did, I mean, all my friends and dance were like, gay guys, basically. So those were my,
[19:11]those were my friends. Those were my male role models going on. Take care of me. But yeah, he has
[19:17]this whole, it's funny because he has this whole upbringing in Tai Chi and, you know, Marshall stuff
[19:23]and all this stuff that he doesn't talk about because it's like, he can't talk about it. I'm like,
[19:28]I'm kind of unsure. Like, are you in the CIA or like, are you just making this? That kind of stuff.
[19:33]But it's sort of like very, you know, body oriented things. And you know, specifically with Tai Chi.
[19:38]And so, so that's been really cool. And I've learned a lot about and had a lot of synergies
[19:44]with, you know, my experience with dance and his experience with Tai Chi, especially that I got
[19:48]him like talking about Tai Chi more and sharing Tai Chi more in this way. And yeah, when I met him,
[19:52]he was doing some, he had some start up that he didn't care about at all. And I'm just like,
[19:57]why are you doing something you don't want to do? I don't-
[20:00]I just don't understand that for my own life.
[20:02]It's not really like an option for me to do something you don't want to do.
[20:05]I mean, just like, qualification wise, you know, I don't know if I could get a job.
[20:10]But yeah, so eventually he just kind of kept coming around and we just started working together.
[20:15]And it was, you know, fun and then not fun and now it's fun again.
[20:19]So that's awesome.
[20:22]So if people listening want to do like what you said before,
[20:25]they have a terrible headache, or they're feeling super stressed today,
[20:28]or this is like the worst day ever, where can they find those moves of yours to help them through?
[20:33]Well, I think just even without, you know, going to our website, doing our videos and all that
[20:37]shenanigans, I think just like sitting coming down to the ground and letting yourself crawl around
[20:44]a little bit and slow down and start to breathe a little bit more full, a little bit more deep
[20:49]to the point where you're letting your breath move your body instead of trying to move your
[20:53]body with yourself, with your own muscles.
[20:55]I think from right there, I mean, that's kind of the foundation of everything that we share.
[21:00]And if, and that can feel better instantly without like logging online and going to our videos and
[21:05]all the app and all that stuff, we have all that stuff and like, you know, a lot of it's free.
[21:09]And I think that's super important and everything.
[21:11]But yeah, that's really the basis.
[21:13]And I think if, you know, you could just get on the floor, breathe, roll around,
[21:18]you know, your body will start to show you what it wants to do.
[21:21]And then I think that's what's so great about yoga treated like a vocabulary of movement.
[21:26]Sort of if you learn a few different movements, then you're going to just like reading,
[21:31]know how to put a sentence together, know how to write a letter, whatever it is.
[21:34]And then you can, you know, I hope to empower people to be able to, you know, feel confident enough
[21:41]to do something for five minutes on their own in a way.
[21:44]So.
[21:45]And what's coming next for you?
[21:46]What do you have up your sleeve aside from our new hybrid yoga reading?
[21:51]Situation.
[21:52]Yeah, no, I think that's, that's going to be the main priority, right?
[21:56]Oh, my gosh, but no, we finally had time now because of, because of our current situation
[22:01]to do our app, which we had on the back burner because we do so much in person.
[22:05]And it's just so fun to be in person with people.
[22:08]And we love to travel and see everybody and go to all the partner studios.
[22:11]So we just hadn't prioritized doing that.
[22:14]So that's coming soon.
[22:15]So people can practice with us.
[22:17]And I've been doing the silly class on Instagram for almost 100 days now.
[22:21]every day it's free.
[22:22]So the live element has been really kind of cool to do with people.
[22:26]So that's really what the app's going to be about.
[22:28]It'll have all of our, you know, decades of videos and collections and things that people
[22:33]already do, but it'll also be more of a live digital home studio.
[22:37]So we're kind of excited about that one.
[22:39]That's awesome.
[22:40]Do you have any advice to aspiring authors having done, uh,
[22:44]collaborated on this children's book yoga animals and then all the other books that you wrote?
[22:49]Oh gosh, I mean, it's something I'm so grateful.
[22:52]I get to do it.
[22:53]I mean, I feel like I'll keep creating books as long as any publisher will say,
[22:58]okay, I think it's sort of that's this.
[23:01]I think that's the spirit of doing it as progress.
[23:04]I think, you know, a lot of people that I meet that want to write a book are waiting
[23:09]to write a book instead of just doing it.
[23:11]And I think it's, you know, sure, it's nice to find a publisher that wants to do it,
[23:15]but it's also nice to have something to show the publisher instead of what's in your head.
[23:19]You know, like if it's in your head, it doesn't count.
[23:21]You know, I don't think at all.
[23:23]So I think you have to just sit down and do it like a practice every single day.
[23:27]You know, I'm not, it's not my number one main job, but I do love it so much.
[23:32]I love the process of writing so much.
[23:34]I love getting better at it.
[23:35]I love reading.
[23:36]I love improving.
[23:37]I love, you know, figuring out how to explain things differently and, you know, with more maturity
[23:43]as the previous book or whatever it is.
[23:44]But yeah, I think it's just really important to sit down, put everybody else's books aside
[23:49]that you are your sort of familiar people that are kind of like you or that you think are like you
[23:55]and just sit down and, you know, I think for me it's making an outline.
[23:58]If I don't have an outline, I can't do anything.
[24:00]You know, it's sort of like I need to know that I'm going to do yoga before I do yoga.
[24:04]So I think that's really important, creating an outline and, you know, writing an introduction
[24:10]and then just just getting to work doing it.
[24:12]And then, you know, sharing it with people that have more experience than you.
[24:17]And I think, you know, in my experience, especially with writing and everything,
[24:21]is people want to help and people are so happy to help people that are already doing the work.
[24:25]And if you're, you know, I have friends that tell me all about their books and I'm like,
[24:30]okay, show it to me.
[24:30]And they're like, no, no, it's my idea.
[24:32]And I'm like, oh, God, you're like, I can't tell.
[24:34]Like, just, you know, write pages, like do something, you know, do it, you know,
[24:40]get it together and then, you know, and then rewrite it a bunch of times.
[24:44]And then I'm not, I'm not the gatekeeper to getting your book published,
[24:47]but then, you know, start showing people after you have it something down.
[24:50]And if you're not proud of it, just keep rewriting it and keep showing up, keep doing it.
[24:54]Don't wait until, you know, you have the perfect hair day.
[24:57]Don't wait until like, you know, your, your stomach has the right amount of food in it or whatever it is.
[25:02]I think there's so much.
[25:03]I mean, I felt, I felt like, you know, to that all the time of because it's not my only job
[25:09]writing, but I do love it so much that I'm always working on it.
[25:12]But I noticed that's a bad habit of my thinking, oh, I'll do this tomorrow.
[25:16]And I'm like, oh, no, I can't.
[25:17]Like, if I want to work on a new project, it has to be for me at least some point every day.
[25:22]I have to sit down and do it.
[25:24]And then that's it.
[25:26]Great advice.
[25:27]I love it.
[25:29]Well, thank you.
[25:30]Thanks so much for coming back on another piece of my platform here and
[25:34]talking on the podcast about all of your great work.
[25:37]And like last time, I still feel like so inspired to now go yoga and do yoga after I speak to you.
[25:41]And of course, like two minutes later, I forget.
[25:43]And then so put reminders in my calendar to sort of interview you every couple months.
[25:49]So I could be when we first met on, on your Instagram, I was like,
[25:54]oh, I want to be friends with this woman.
[25:55]She's so cool.
[25:56]We could do yoga together.
[25:57]Totally.
[25:57]The other book story.
[25:59]That would be awesome.
[26:00]I know.
[26:00]I would love that.
[26:01]Yeah.
[26:01]Well, one day when we're out of here.
[26:05]All right.
[26:06]Well, thanks so much for coming on.
[26:07]And have a really great day and everything.
[26:09]Yeah, you too.
[26:09]Thank you.
[26:10]Bye.
[26:10]Thanks.
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