Jamise Harper and Jane Mount, BIBLIOPHILE: Diverse Spines
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[1:05]Jane Mount and Jamiese Harper are the co-authors of Bibliophile Diverse Spines.
[1:11]Jamiese is the founder and creator of Diverse Spines.
[1:14]Her passion for reading, diversely, led Jamiese to create the hashtag DiverseSpines hashtag,
[1:19]and the Diverse Spines book community on social media, which highlights literature by black women and women of color.
[1:25]She is a champion for amplifying marginalized voices, and diverse spines has become a valuable literary resource.
[1:31]Along with being an avid reader, she's also a wine enthusiast and the creator of Spines and Vines, a blog dedicated to book and wine pairings.
[1:39]Jamiese is a member of Delta Sigma Theta sorority incorporated and lives in the Washington DC metro area.
[1:46]Jane Mount is the author and illustrator of diverse spines.
[1:50]She is an illustrator, designer, writer, and thingmaker, and particularly makes many things for people who love books.
[1:56]She is the founder of Ideal Bookshelf and the author and illustrator of Bibliophile and illustrated Missalene.
[2:02]She's also the illustrator and co-author, as I mentioned, with Jamiese Harper of Bibliophile Diverse Spines and my Ideal Bookshelf.
[2:10]She lives in a log cabin on Maui with her husband, three weird cats, and a speckled dog.
[2:15]Welcome, Jane and Jamiese. Thanks for coming on Maui's no time to read books to discuss Bibliophile Diverse Spines.
[2:22]What a gorgeous book. This is like amazing. I love this.
[2:25]Thank you. Are you so happy with the cover? I mean, I know Jane, you're like the illustrator and so, you know.
[2:30]I have a little, a little bias.
[2:34]But it's so great. It's just the cover is great. All the recommendations inside were so great.
[2:40]I love how you just structured the whole thing with book influencer recommendations and bookstores that you loved and classics and essays and fit.
[2:50]You know, all different types for everybody who could possibly like a particular type of book.
[2:54]So this is like fabulous. Just loved it.
[2:58]You know how when you go into your favorite independent bookstore and there's little shelf talkers all around the bookstore recommending different books that you might like.
[3:07]That's sort of what we're trying to go for in book form so that you get the perfect recommendation for wherever you are and whatever you need at that time, you know.
[3:15]I love that.
[3:16]Yes, and not going to leave any topic out even for the middle grade and for the children.
[3:20]That's right. Those were great too.
[3:22]I felt like I wanted to send you guys a list of like the many books in here that I've had on the authors I've had on my podcast because there's so many that I've gotten to know over time.
[3:32]So I was so excited every time I saw somebody in here. Yes, and I've done a lot of the children's books to like Tammy Charles back and I'm blanking on every every name but that's how it goes.
[3:43]I mean, I like, you know, it's like it's been two hours since I was last prepping this book and now I already I've forgotten everything but there's a lot in there.
[3:51]No, but there's a lot of overlap in what I've been covering so that's that's fantastic. So how did you two team up to do this project.
[3:59]Oh, Jane.
[4:02]Well, let me preface it by saying we've still never met in person.
[4:07]Oh my gosh.
[4:12]Helping to for the book official book launch. That'll be the first time we meet. I think this is so I knew Jamies from Instagram. She's a very well known books to grammar and I'm, you know, peripherally in that crowd.
[4:27]A couple Christmas is a go 2019. I think Christmas 18 18. Wow. Okay, Jamies. I got an order for a custom mug with a set of books on it. And it was an amazing set of books and I it was actually ordered by Jamies's son for her for a Christmas present.
[4:43]Yeah.
[4:44]I didn't know that at the time, but I thought wow, this is a great set of books and then once she received it, she was excited. She posted it on Instagram and then she and I both immediately got flooded with people asking to buy that mug.
[4:56]Like, please, I need that mug. That's the perfect mug. You know, and the mug was actually full of books she had recommended in her diverse finds program. So it was just a great little synergy. So I, we made other mugs and people bought them and then let's see a little over year ago or maybe more. Yeah, a little over year ago.
[5:14]It's like June.
[5:15]June. Okay. Yeah.
[5:16]I would never forgive because I thought you could be in the wrong person.
[5:20]Oh, no.
[5:21]So, so I was, I had been talking with my agent and my publisher about doing another bibliophile like book, but with a focus on a certain area and we wanted to do one with all the kinds of diverse reads. And, but I did not feel that I should do that on my own. I wanted someone who really knew a lot about it to work with to co author it with.
[5:42]And so I thought of Jamiz and I didn't go on Instagram. And yes, she thought I was aiming there on person, but no, of course not. And, and yeah, she said, yes, and we basically spent the last year on zoom.
[5:54]Yes.
[5:55]Wow. Yeah, I literally replied back. I said, are you sure you have the right person?
[6:00]She said, yes. And I was like, okay, wait a second. Like really like, you know, Jane is like uber famous. Everyone knows her work.
[6:10]And I just thought, clearly she has the wrong person. She.
[6:14]And then we talked about it. And then I talked to a couple of my friends, you know, close confidants, one be entire Jones. Oh, yeah.
[6:21]The road American marriage, which I love. And it was just such a great opportunity. And I felt so honored just to be asked.
[6:27]And it's been great.
[6:29]The whole collaboration, the late hours, the time.
[6:33]I didn't learn her how much work it was she did. I don't think she quite believed me on that because that, you know, we were trying to do it in a pretty short timeline for this kind of book.
[6:43]It was intense.
[6:44]There were a lot of jokes in here about the timeline. So I got the sense that you had it being very, very rushed.
[6:53]Yes. And where are you two based in the like how far apart where are you both in the world.
[6:59]That's the that's the challenge.
[7:01]East Coast. I'm in, I'm near Washington, DC.
[7:04]And I'm in, on Maui in Hawaii.
[7:06]Well, that would pose a challenge for almost everybody. Yes.
[7:09]So it's early here. I'm still drinking coffee this morning. And yeah.
[7:12]It was about six hour time, different. It's usually.
[7:14]Wow.
[7:15]But it helped because I'm a night owl. So I could do late.
[7:18]And I'm not. So that's perfect.
[7:21]I think I might need to move to Hawaii. And maybe that would.
[7:26]I do much better in the morning. So for many reasons, that would be nice. That sounds great.
[7:32]So Jane, how did you get your start, you know, finding that books were kind of your niches like this amazing thing to.
[7:40]And how do you, how do you create these? I don't even own the terminology for the different art work styles because I so many years ago, I lived in New York for a long time.
[7:49]And at one point way back like 2007 or eight, I had had a studio face where I would paint larger things in addition to having a day job work, not internet stuff basically.
[8:00]And I, they were selling the building. So I lost it. So I, my husband and I had just bought a tiny apartment as all most New York apartments are in the East Village.
[8:10]And I was sitting at our dining room table, which was also in the living room and into everything room and being really stuck on what should I paint next.
[8:19]And I, because I was not used to working small and I had to at the table. So right next to me, where are our built in bookshelves.
[8:26]And I thought, well, I'll just draw some books because they're really pretty colors. They're right here. I love books. You know, why not.
[8:32]And I drew a few of them and a friend of my husband happened to come over that day and he saw it. I was like, oh my God, what are those. I want to buy all of those right now. And I don't know if you know, but as a painter that rarely happens.
[8:44]You know, I'm aware.
[8:46]People don't usually respond quite so viscerally to artwork. You know, and so I was like, okay, there's something to this. So I kept going and painting friends books as they lay on their shelves kind of like a dinner party or
[8:59]you know, seeing what people choose to show on their shelves. And then after a year or so, I realized there's actually much more interesting to ask people.
[9:08]What are the books that made you who you are? What are your favorites? What are the ones that changed your life.
[9:13]And when you get a set of those, it basically is like a portrait of the person from the inside. It really shows who they are.
[9:20]And you know, sometimes they choose ones from when, you know, from birth on so you can sort of see the path they took along the way in some sense. And so I found that was really fascinating and basically just took good idea and ran with it.
[9:33]And I, one thing I know is not surprising to either of you and maybe shouldn't have been to me as a heavy reader, but people really, really love books.
[9:43]And yeah, and I think in this day and age when a lot of people read on e-readers or things like that, it's great to have a visual reminder of your favorite books in case you don't have them on your bookshelves are just in addition to having.
[10:00]on your books. So it's certainly well. And I, so I paid them generally a paint in wash,
[10:05]which is a kind of watercolor opaque watercolor. And then I also make prints from them,
[10:10]I cut some prints. So you could say here, these are my 10 favorite books. And I would put a
[10:14]print together just for you. We have to do that, by the way, when, yeah, how do I sign how do I
[10:20]sign up for that? Yeah, just send me an email. Okay, we'll set it up. I actually, I have this
[10:25]memoir coming out in July. And it was originally called the book messenger, but I think I'm changing
[10:30]the name of it. But in every chapter, I always talk about all the books I was reading at different
[10:35]points in my life. Awesome. Yeah. Then I was like, ooh, what if you did like a whole thing of like
[10:40]all the books that kind of like made me me over the years, you know, but anyway. It was great. Now
[10:45]I'm just turning this all about me. So anyway, sorry. I mean, that's a great thing about it. It really,
[10:51]I mean, even if you don't ever order a custom time, if you just make for yourself a list of
[10:55]the 10 books that have been most important to you, it's really hard, first of all, to narrow it
[11:00]down to 10, for instance. And it's also really, really enlightening about yourself, you know, to figure
[11:06]out having either of you done that, have either of you fixed the 10? I've done it, but it still
[11:10]changes all the time. Exactly. Nine changes. What I have done, I have the constant three that always
[11:15]end up on there. Which one? I just think I know why the cage works things, the warmth of other
[11:21]and home going. How about you, James? I would say probably most affected me, mine are a little more,
[11:27]I would say probably American gods by Neil Gaiman, Cloud Atlas by David Mitchell, and I'll probably
[11:34]go with Pachinko by Mention Lee. That was really good. Yeah. But, I mean, that's a hard question.
[11:40]Ask me tomorrow. It'll be three different ones. I'm not quite as, you know, Jimmy's always has
[11:45]been three. Mine is really mind fluctuates. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I have to think
[11:52]about mine. Come on. Give us one. I usually always say slow motion by Danny Shapiro. Uh-huh. Yeah.
[11:59]And like anything by Anna Quinlan, like especially her early, earlier stuff.
[12:04]I actually got to paint an ideal bookstore for her once. Yeah. Yeah. A long time ago.
[12:10]Yeah. Cool. But I have to say, my reading volume has like, I don't even quadruple does not even
[12:17]the beginning. I mean, the amount that I've been able to read the last few years has totally changed,
[12:22]you know, some of the things that I'm interested in. Like, it's just been amazing to read. And that's
[12:27]why a book like this is like so perfect because I have learned so much from diverse voices,
[12:34]all different types of books. Not that I didn't read them before, but like it's much more
[12:39]conscious, like an amazing. So I just have like this newfound appreciation for, you know,
[12:47]in the way that I like to alternate kind of genres, right? Like, you know, like you read a really
[12:51]great novel and then maybe next you need some sort of self-help reparenting or, you know,
[12:56]like being able to rotate through different people's lived experiences is like second to none.
[13:03]It's just, anyway, it's just amazing. That sounds ridiculous. Now that I'm saying it out loud
[13:07]like so superficial, but what I don't mean it that way at all. I mean, like, I feel like I've
[13:11]gotten to know so many people over the last couple of years. And, you know, my, it's just changed my
[13:17]worldview. That's, as a book, as a great book shit. Yeah, that's what it's the magic of books.
[13:21]Yeah, and especially diverse books here from Arden Live Voice that it definitely expands your
[13:25]awareness. I just read, I don't know if you've read it. It's 15 essays from the Latinx diaspora.
[13:31]It's a really great book called All the Louding Voices. Anyway, that was amazing. And each essay,
[13:36]right? Like, and that was what the editor of that collection was saying, like,
[13:39]has completely, obviously completely different point of view and experience. And,
[13:43]and her point is like, people think that the Latinx experience is the same. But no, like, all,
[13:49]you know, that's so, how could you possibly make some mass generalization like that, right? It's
[13:54]all the different stories. Just like anybody you pass on the street, we all have such different
[13:58]stories. And yet we have the shared humanity. And sometimes it takes hearing the intimate details
[14:04]of someone else's story to remind people. And there's like so much divisiveness. So I think
[14:09]there's nothing more effective than a story. And that's why I loved hearing some new recommendations
[14:14]that I hadn't heard of. So I'm excited. I mean, I think what's amazing about reading books that
[14:18]are from a different perspective than the one you grew up in is that you both get to see how
[14:24]different people live, but also how fundamentally the same people live. And you find differences
[14:29]in it and things that are the same across all different people from all different places. And I
[14:35]yeah, I agree. It really makes you realize that the way we try to divide ourselves is ridiculous,
[14:40]you know, I think in many ways. And we should be embracing all of the stories from everyone.
[14:47]Yeah. I mean, at the core, we all love the people we love and want to make the best of life and
[14:53]have the same. I mean, anyway, this I'm sounding so ridiculous today. I hope you know that
[14:58]what I'm trying to say and that it's not being overly simplistic, but everybody, it's interesting
[15:03]when at your core, we all know that we have everything is the same. So obvious, right? But then
[15:09]people get caught up in what must be differences when in fact, you know, our experiences may be
[15:15]different, but not just across races across everything, right? Religions and genders and everything,
[15:20]but I don't know. It can be distracting from the real shared stuff. And now I'll stop because
[15:26]I'm sounding like a moron today. Tell me more about this book. How long was this really short timeline
[15:31]that you had to work on it? And do you have plans to do another book together or things separately
[15:36]after? To me, Selle, did you answer that one? Oh, we started in July? Yeah. This July? No.
[15:43]Wait, no. I was like, that is super human. And then we had to have the manuscript in by December
[15:53]before Christmas. I think the very final version, I think our original deadline for it was October,
[15:58]and then we had everything everything else by December. And then
[16:02]Jane is the right though. She has new illustrations. Yeah, which is a lot. And then a lot of editing
[16:08]back and forth. That was a process. That was it was a complete learning process for me because
[16:13]I've never been a book before. So I had never even dreamed of writing a book. So Jane put me on this
[16:18]path. And it's been wonderful, but it's also been a learning experience. I'm glad that I went on it
[16:23]with her because it was such a good vibe. And she has such a good energy. So it was easy for us to
[16:28]work together, even though we didn't even we never even literally think to other spaces until we
[16:33]decided to do the book together. It was amazingly easy to work together. I mean, I worked on
[16:37]co-author a different book. And yeah, it was amazingly easy to work together. We got along. We have,
[16:42]I think, a very, in terms of how we saw the book and what should be in it. And that kind of thing,
[16:46]I think we were very much on the same page, but we bought different kinds of books we love to it.
[16:52]For instance, I love cookbooks and Jimmy's does not cook. So there were different, different areas
[16:59]that each of us, you know, and historical fiction is absolutely her favorite, which I like too,
[17:05]but she was for sure an expert in historical fiction. So it was great to have different,
[17:10]you know, as bringing different books to the table that we really, and we got to learn about,
[17:15]you know, we got to learn about one another, you know, families and then childhood college.
[17:19]And then we talked a lot about the books that we read. And so you definitely learn
[17:23]about people when you're discussing, you know, it's true. Book people are the best people. So when
[17:27]we're talking about the books we love, how I impacted us, it was just a great experience.
[17:31]I love that. And Jimmy's, what did you think you were going to be doing? I know you have this like
[17:36]majorly successful Instagram and all the rest, but what did you think would have happened?
[17:41]So my day job is very stressful. So I knew that I was going to have to maintain the,
[17:47]you know, what I needed to do for this book, you know, call author, write, research, lots of
[17:51]research. Yeah, I was going to say there's so many like interview, you must have had to reach out to
[17:55]so many people. That was another thing, reaching out to people that are featured in the book. That
[18:00]wasn't, that was a big haul. Yeah. And they were, but the, the great thing was everybody was so positive.
[18:04]It was pretty awesome. Yeah. Yeah. And I think too, because of books to Graham and because, you know,
[18:10]Instagram having relationships with the people, it was easy to reach out to them because we,
[18:13]and one way, I know that we all have a relationship with the people that we reached out to.
[18:17]So that was very helpful. You know, just having a human contact with people talking to them,
[18:22]having interviewed them, Jane having drawn for them in the past, just, it was a good connection.
[18:26]So I kind of knew what my assignment was. It just was a matter of balancing it all with having a
[18:33]full-time job. So my days were very long, but it was worth it. It really was worth it. Yeah.
[18:38]Wow. Did you take, did either of you take prints? Like, did you make any prints of just one or
[18:45]like some of the spines or some of the images? I mean, you know, like, do you have any of these framed
[18:51]now, the individual drawing? I mean, I'm open to anything that she wants to say. Right. I mean,
[18:57]you know, like this is, I mean, should have like a whole wall of like some of the, that's so cool.
[19:01]Yeah. And they're so pretty. Totally. Yeah. I want more. Are you saying you have not gifted
[19:05]Jamiz any of these? She's getting painted. What on earth? Honestly, I have been basically in
[19:11]recovery mode and, and just doing only the work that I really have to do. I'm going to have a little
[19:16]burnt out if it is in recovery. But yeah, I believe me. She can have prints. She did give myself
[19:22]and last Christmas. I mean, it was like right in the height of us working on everything. And I
[19:27]got a package. And I did not, you know, I was like, what is this? And it was a mug with all of the books
[19:34]that diverse science has read in the past couple of years. And I thought it was just such a
[19:38]sweet thing. So now I have that one. And I have the one that my son gave me. But the initial mug
[19:43]that when my son custom ordered that I just, I was overwhelmed. And I literally, every time I
[19:50]drink out of it or look at it, I just think that was my connection. I mean, he paid attention.
[19:54]But then that was like in her into Jane as well. And he was young. He was, he's still in his 20s.
[19:58]It's like 20.
[20:00]four now. So that was what a couple of years ago. He was very young.
[20:03]My son gave me a clipboard. I mean, what kind of it that you have like the most thoughtful
[20:08]stunt ever? I literally got like a clipboard from Amazon or something and he gave
[20:14]it to me with such pride. And I was like, okay. And then my daughter was like, oh, I'll take that.
[20:18]And next thing you know, I didn't even have a gift. So I was like, okay, great. He's still talking
[20:24]about it. He says, I cannot believe how that just blew up. He said, I didn't realize people were
[20:28]that crazy for books. Yeah. It's so true. Well, and I think I think that's what's every year around
[20:34]the holidays. People order custom prints for other people as a gift. And right after Christmas,
[20:39]I always get several emails that are just the cutest things ever. You know, where people
[20:44]are like, oh my God, I gave this to my loved one and they cry. You know, because it's not just
[20:51]that it's pictures of their books. It's that the person who commissioned me to do it really went out
[20:56]of their way to figure out what that person's books were and usually had to ask them in some
[21:01]roundabout way. Some weird things so they wouldn't know what was happening and have a whole
[21:04]conversation about favorite books. So they had a discussion about it. The person wrote down to this
[21:09]remembered it and then ordered something from it. It's a very special thing. I mean, you know, the
[21:13]person who gives that is just very thoughtful, very loves you for sure. You know, I think that's
[21:19]what's amazing. Well, I want to do some sort of like giveaway or something when this, what is
[21:23]when does this come out? I'm sure I have no number second November second. All right. Well,
[21:28]I want to do some. Yeah, that'd be great. Yeah, we can give away a custom print. That would be
[21:31]awesome. Oh, a custom print. Even better. Great. Okay. I meant the book, but that's fine. You know,
[21:37]print the way we can do both. Yeah. No, I think it's I think it's great for any bookish
[21:43]people out there and which is basically most people listening to this right now. So that works
[21:47]out really well. What are you reading right now? And then I'm going to ask for, you know, any
[21:53]inspiring advice for aspiring authors if you happen to have any. I just finished the love
[21:57]songs that would be so good. It's so good. Highly highly recommended. It's so good. The
[22:03]audiobook is great. So that's what I just finished. Yeah. You can listen to my podcast with
[22:07]Honorary. I just, yeah. I just talked to her last week. So yeah, I love her. She is awesome.
[22:13]You sound nice. How about you, Jane? I just finished case in a questions new book. Last stop.
[22:19]I'm blanking on the title one. I don't have any. Sorry. One last stop. One last stop. Yes, exactly. And I
[22:25]got to paint the covers of her books. That one in red, white, and royal blue for her. And it's great.
[22:31]It's very, you know, it's a romance. It's it's really adorable. So highly recommended. And now I'm
[22:36]reading David Mitchell's Utopia Avenue, which I also like a lot, but is in sort of the slightly
[22:42]in the sci-fi realm that again is my jam, but not so much to me. So advice for aspiring
[22:51]authors or aspiring artists. I wrote a book and I just don't even know what to say about that
[23:03]other than if you are aspiring writer. Yeah, go after your dreams. Don't give up. You know,
[23:10]because I can't say that I was ever aspiring to write, but being in the being now in this place,
[23:16]I would say it's extremely difficult. And I can see how it could be discouraging. But if it's
[23:20]something that you truly believe in in your passion about it, just don't ever give up. Just don't
[23:24]give up on your dreams. Stay faithful to your craft. Yeah, I mean, I would for authors or illustrators,
[23:32]I would say exactly the same. I mean, I think as someone who has always drawn, I had a whole
[23:39]career for a long time doing internet things long before I became a full-time illustrator. And all
[23:44]I can say is you just got to keep going. Just keep going. Just keep drawing. Just keep getting
[23:50]the jobs here and there until they're not here and there until they're your full-time job. I mean,
[23:54]I know it's not, it's not as instant as we always should be. Like to become the thing your dream of
[24:00]being and anyone who you think was an overnight success was absolutely not. They put in a ton of work.
[24:05]I mean, everybody puts in a ton of work into the things they love and you have to to get to that
[24:10]point. So just keep going. Keep fighting it. It'll happen. It'll come. Love it. This is great. I'm just
[24:16]going to replay this a lot. Yeah. This is very encouraging. Excellent. Well, I mean, it sounds like you
[24:22]I mean, you have a memoir coming out and a publisher. Yeah, that's awesome. Come on. I mean,
[24:28]you're doing it. This is like maybe my 900th podcast or something. Do you know what I mean? I'm not,
[24:34]it's not an overnight. I know. Like every day, all day long, reading and talking to people. I
[24:39]love it though. It never feels like work. I mean, like you, I mean, I just, I love books. I love
[24:45]power of reading. I love the magic of it. My kids don't like to read that much. I'm like,
[24:50]you don't understand. I don't even. Like, how can you not like this? But you do have to have that
[24:54]sort of attention span that I feel like is basically gone. But I don't know. For me, it's,
[25:00]it's like life-saving. It's the only way to get out of my own crazy mind, right? I mean,
[25:05]yeah, I have to go to work out every day. I have to read every day. That's a great way to say it.
[25:11]Yeah. Yeah. I do not, I've not been working out every day at all. I would look at a lot
[25:16]different if I was working out every day that I'm reading every day. But instead, I have a big
[25:21]bookshelf and bigger clothes. So there you go. Tradeoffs.
[25:25]Anyway. All right. Well, thank you, ladies so much. It was really
[25:30]a joy to talk to you. I love this book. It's so important and so beautiful. And it's great. And
[25:36]I love the recommendations. And it's just the way you structured it was really great. And
[25:40]all of it was awesome. So, um, delighted to have it in my hand. I feel very lucky.
[25:45]Thank you. Thank you. I'm so much honored. You like it. That was great. Okay,
[25:49]let's take care. All right. All right. Bye bye. Bye bye.
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