Delia Ephron, LEFT ON TENTH: A Second Chance at Life: A Memoir
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[0:41]Delia Efron is the author of Left on 10th, a second chance at life, and memoir.
[0:46]Delia is a best-selling author, screenwriter, essayist, and playwright.
[0:50]Her novels include The New York Times Bestseller, Sarah Kisa, and The Lion is in.
[0:55]She has written books of essays, sister, mother, husband, dog, etc., books of humor, how
[1:00]to eat like a child, and books for children and young adults.
[1:04]Her movie credits include You've Got Mail, The Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants.
[1:09]This is my life, Michael, and hanging up, based on her novel.
[1:13]Her play, Love, Loss, and What I War, written with her sister Nor Efron, based on the book
[1:18]by Eileen Beckerman, ran for two years off Broadway, and has been performed internationally.
[1:23]By the way, I wouldn't saw that with my mom a long time ago.
[1:25]It was really good.
[1:27]Welcome, Delia.
[1:28]Thank you so much for coming on mom's.
[1:29]Don't have time to read books to discuss your beautiful memoir.
[1:33]Left on 10th, a second chance at life, and love, and hope.
[1:37]Love, love, love, love, I love the book jacket is very, very lovely.
[1:43]Delia, this memoir is amazing.
[1:45]It's a combination of emails, and letters, and articles, and your life story of losing
[1:52]your husband, falling in love again, and your own illness, and getting through that,
[1:57]and it's funny, and raw, and open, and just awesome.
[2:01]Why did you decide to write this memoir?
[2:04]Why do I do it?
[2:05]After I got well, let us just say, I survived leukemia, AML, which is a fierce leukemia.
[2:13]I had a stem cell transplant, which is also known as a bone marrow transplant, and I was
[2:19]so completely sick, and so debilitated.
[2:22]I couldn't walk, I was in a wheelchair, and I took me a year to come back, and to know
[2:30]that I would stay alive, and I didn't think I would ever write again.
[2:36]It was such a debilitating, well, I mean, you can read about it.
[2:38]It was quite an ordeal, and I had a good writing life, you know, so I thought, oh, okay.
[2:47]Writing is a calling, and it is the place where I've always been happiest, and then just
[2:53]one day I started collaborating with a friend in the building who's a composer to do a musical
[2:57]based on my book, The Lion is in, and the next thing I knew, you know, my writing heart
[3:02]was beating again, and then we had COVID, and that is not the reason I wrote it, but it certainly
[3:12]was a great isolation time for, you know, having this to do.
[3:19]But I realized then, because then it was two years post-transplant, and in fact, I went
[3:24]in to see the doctor, and he said, in February 2020, he said, okay, it worked.
[3:32]We're no more likely to get leukemia now than I am, and I've never had it, and I practically
[3:37]danced out of that place.
[3:40]And then in March, that was February, in March, the whole world shut down.
[3:45]But I realized, I mean, life had given me an amazing story, with everything I'm a dramatist,
[3:51]so with everything that I could possibly want, and also enormous eccentricities, the kind
[3:57]of things I love, like the fact that I met Peter, because my internet crashed, and it
[4:02]doesn't quite lay down in this landland.
[4:04]I mean, that is so perfect for my writer or me to the writer.
[4:10]So I had a friend, a young filmmaker.
[4:13]She collected everything in my computer that I had written from the time that Jerry had
[4:18]died, and she got all my emails, and I mean, here, let me show you, she gave me six
[4:24]loosely fine doors, like gigantic in chronological order, all of everything printed out,
[4:33]and I began to work from that.
[4:36]But there were things I didn't know, especially when I was sick.
[4:40]I didn't know them because I didn't remember them, because I was too fragile in the
[4:45]hospital to know.
[4:46]I mean, when my friend, Maris, said to me, well, you were in the ICU, I said, when?
[4:50]I had no idea.
[4:52]So doing the book was kind of a treasure hunt for all these things, now that I had the
[4:59]safety of being healthy, I could hear and appreciate in a different way.
[5:05]And all my friends told me things I just simply could not believe, I love my friend,
[5:10]Yale Monaco, who lived in the building then.
[5:13]You know, when I found out I was, I had my leukemia was back, and then I really just
[5:19]either had this bone marrow transplant, or I would die, and I had very low odds.
[5:25]And I came home that day, and I just, you know, roped her up, and I met her in the
[5:29]lobby.
[5:30]I need you.
[5:31]Please come up.
[5:32]She's never been in my apartment for a woman, she's a therapist, and I, you know, I was
[5:37]like rounding up my warriors, you know, who I needed to go on this journey.
[5:42]And she told me that when I, that I was, she said, I had absolute undefended terror.
[5:49]She said the terror was so powerful in the room that she just felt sucked right into it.
[5:54]And so, you know, from the safety of being well, that was a powerful dramatic element.
[6:00]I mean, the book has so much drama, it's a festival of drama.
[6:07]So that's, you know, I began to really, I also, I sent from my hospital records, which
[6:12]I had, I was in the hospital 100 days.
[6:15]So I had 6,000 pages of hospital records.
[6:17]Oh my gosh.
[6:18]I didn't, I didn't, I did not get through the, I mean, I, I stopped at about page 4,020.
[6:24]Wow.
[6:25]The funniest part, I mean, I can't even say that it's, I mean, it feels, well, it is
[6:29]funny, it's funny, but it's funny, it's sad, but it's also funny when they were trying
[6:36]to get you the MRI around the time of the ICU stay and you were cursing at the people
[6:40]and you wouldn't let them, but, but, you know, she, I know, yeah.
[6:45]I mean, Mira said it was the most upsetting thing she'd ever experienced.
[6:49]And I mean, certainly in that, she's experienced worse things.
[6:52]I think in other types of parts of her life, but in my life, you know, she just, she
[6:57]could not believe it, it and Peter came in and just took charge and put, but I mean,
[7:03]I'd written my clothes off, you know, he, he covered me up.
[7:06]And she said it was so moving.
[7:08]And then, you know, I mean, you know, I was sort of horrified by it.
[7:13]I was thrilled by it because I got to put it in the book because it was, you know,
[7:18]it had an amazing thing and it was the truth.
[7:21]It's what happens, you know, you have to tell the truth if you're going to write your
[7:25]stories and, and that was what happened.
[7:29]So, but also, I'm, I'm not someone who does go around swearing at people and I was kind
[7:36]of excited from a safe place of help to hear that I'd act out a little bit because they
[7:44]boss you around a lot in the hospital.
[7:46]You know.
[7:47]Oh my gosh.
[7:48]My like how, you know, they were reminding you like you are not your sister, but yet
[7:53]how can you not be worried when you get the same, when you get a disease that you're
[7:59]just lost like your best friend and sister.
[8:01]And now you have the same thing.
[8:03]How can you not go to such a dark place?
[8:05]And I loved how you wrote about dealing with depression about your diagnosis and going
[8:10]through everything.
[8:11]And just tell me a little bit more about that.
[8:14]Well, you know, I'd grown up trying to do everything nor of it because she was just
[8:21]four of us, I wanted to say with her four sisters and I, nor was the first born, I'm
[8:26]then me and then Halley and then Amy and all four of us are writers.
[8:32]And, but nor and I were very, were close growing up.
[8:35]I just tried to do everything she did, but she was going around the track so fast I couldn't
[8:39]keep up.
[8:40]But part of writing is, I mean, your writing is your fingerprint.
[8:44]No one else sees what you see or understands what you do.
[8:49]But because she was my sister and I tried to be like her and then had to learn how not
[8:54]to be like her.
[8:55]But then we collaborated because our, you know, our talents were so mutually, she could
[9:02]do things, I could not do things, she couldn't, but the voice melded really beautifully.
[9:08]So, I mean, there was a lot of, I don't know where, you know, she ends and I begin
[9:13]in my life.
[9:16]The doctors, both my friend John, who's a doctor and my leukemia doctor, Dr. Robos,
[9:25]both independently said to me, they not discuss it with each other.
[9:28]They just said you're not your sister.
[9:31]They knew that that I had to believe that.
[9:35]And the reason, what they meant really was simply under a microscope, my leukemia
[9:42]was not the same as her leukemia.
[9:44]They had the same name, but it was not, its characteristics were different.
[9:48]And therefore, I could have a different outcome.
[9:51]But they knew psychologically also how important that was to me.
[9:55]And yet, it felt like betrayal, I felt like I was being my sister.
[10:00]So it was a very difficult, it was a difficult thing to handle was that, I mean, everything
[10:06]about it was difficult, that's for sure, but that was another element. And that we were
[10:11]going for, we were different kinds of patients too. I mean, the differences between us were
[10:15]so clear when we got sick. I know you also made the decision and I could not believe that
[10:21]your byline was not on the article that you wrote about it, but you, and I was saying, I was like,
[10:27]this can't be right as I'm reading. I'm like, no, she just didn't see it or something. But
[10:32]anyway, you decide to come, you know, go public. We could just explain that, which is that when I
[10:37]let's explain it, it'll be me in the New York Times because I had kept it a secret to a lot of
[10:41]went into remission the first time. And I kept it a secret because I had to protect my hope,
[10:47]but it didn't suit me. It was very difficult. I never felt honest when I was with girlfriends,
[10:54]a dinner. You know, it just wasn't. And so I announced this, I wrote this piece in the time
[10:58]until I was very, I worked really hard on that piece. And I sent it to everyone I knew the night
[11:04]before. So they got it from me. You know, this is going to run tomorrow. I just want you to know
[11:08]that. And it was a way to get my story out in a way that I could, as much as I could control it,
[11:14]I could control the information everybody got the same information. And, and then I opened
[11:20]and then, and then the morning, it's in the newspaper. And I'm someone who reads a newspaper.
[11:25]I do too. And I like that feeling. I get a call in the morning from John. My, my doctor friend, he says
[11:34]did you leave your name off on purpose? And I said, what? And law and behold, they have left my
[11:41]byline off the piece in the printed paper. The most personal piece I've ever put in my life.
[11:47]And, you know, and she said something like that she was mortified, but she said, well, you know,
[11:54]most people read, you know, the online thing. But you know, it was, I mean, I was in remission. So
[12:04]I thought, okay, you're in remission. That'd be thankful for that. You know what I mean? I tried to
[12:10]control my feelings about it. But I mean, do you believe that that was just unreal?
[12:17]So I had written at that point, 10 or, at least 10 or more pieces for the New York Times
[12:21]Uphead piece. They had never done that before. Did they, it was you a correction? Like, how did
[12:26]they handle that? They did. I didn't see it, but somebody said to me that he saw the correction.
[12:31]I'm really, I mean, someone in my lobby said to me that what does a girl have to do to get a
[12:36]bond? Oh my gosh. Well, so how, once you got it out eventually, what was the perception of it?
[12:49]Like, was it what aside from the fact that it was hilarious when it ended up happening? And
[12:52]oh my gosh, I can't believe it, but putting it out there in the world, getting feedback,
[12:57]having kept to this secret for your sister Nora for all those years and having that way on you.
[13:03]And now you come forward, like, tell me what that feeling was like when people,
[13:08]all of a sudden started responding because then you have to deal with their responses to it also,
[13:12]right? And that can look a lot. It was like a jackpot hit. It just was magical. I mean, but I didn't,
[13:19]I mean, aside from the wonderful notes I got from all my friends that I sent it to and business
[13:23]people, anybody that I was connected to, there was, I mean, it was the number one most emailed
[13:30]and at the times. And I got so many comments. And one of the wonderful things about them is that
[13:36]they understood it was a love story that it was about love. And they were so happy that I'd
[13:41]fallen in love again. And they focused more on that even. And that made me feel that I had really
[13:47]accomplished what I wanted to accomplish with that piece. Wait, let's talk about your relationship
[13:52]with Peter, which is amazing. My favorite is when he finally came to town after all your
[13:57]back and forth banter. And he said to him right away, like, we're not getting married this weekend.
[14:04]The other day, because we were talking about that on an interview and he said, we're sitting at
[14:10]dinner and we were both fairly tongue tied, having poured our hearts out for a month to each other
[14:15]on the phone without even setting eyes on each other. We were sort of sitting there. I said, we're
[14:21]not getting married this weekend. And he started laughing. And he told me last week that that was,
[14:28]he was just thinking, sitting at the table thinking, we could get married this weekend at the moment
[14:34]that I said that to him. He said that, you know, I'm very intuitive. And, but I was just cracking
[14:41]the eyes, but he said it was like, I'd see right into his heart. Oh, my gosh. So funny. Wait,
[14:48]I think you're beyond very intuitive. I mean, the coincidence is that happened that you
[14:53]write about in the book. I mean, you're, you're like, clairvoyant. You have some sort of, I mean,
[14:59]tell the story of what happened when you like dreamt about, you dreamt about characters in a book
[15:04]and a setting and then it all came true. I mean, it was giving me chills reading about it.
[15:08]That was, yeah, when Jerry and Norah were sick and I always think, you know, how can I get through
[15:14]this? I'm just, it was so difficult. And I thought, and I went to sleep that night and I had this
[15:20]dream about three women in a lion in a bar in North Carolina. Now I never been in a bar. I've
[15:27]never been in North Carolina at all ever. And I knew it was a premise for a novel. And I,
[15:34]I knew what the title was. I woke up with the title, the lion is in, and I started to write it
[15:39]the next day and that never, that never happened to me before. And it was this very magical book
[15:45]to write. It was very joyful for me. And, and I never went to North Carolina. I sort of picked
[15:53]an area that my, that one of my best friends knew about Dean and told me she did some, done some
[15:59]research there was North of Rocky Mountain. And after I finished the book, you know, all my writer
[16:05]girlfriends just say, you cannot write a book about a place you've never been. So you better go
[16:09]there. So I, I've now have a draft. My niece Anna and I got on a plane. We go, we fly down to Raleigh
[16:17]and we drive and we begin to explore that area just to see, you know, now every morning we just
[16:25]put in the GPS take back roads so we had no plan at all. And we're driving around a curve. And
[16:33]in my book, there is a very specific tree that the older woman wants to dig up and bring back
[16:39]to the lion. And it's, it looks like it's been struck by lightning. It has no brand, no foliage.
[16:44]It's just sort of sheared off. And it's alone in the field. And we take a curve in a back road
[16:51]and there in a field is the tree. And I was driving, I screamed. She was so terrified. And we
[16:59]pulled over. I said, I said, it's a tree. She didn't even know. She never had the book. You can
[17:04]trade the tree, you know, and we pull over and we get out and we're just standing there staring
[17:10]at this thing that I have thought I had conjured out of my imagination and somehow found it.
[17:17]And I think it was, you know, it was such a stunning moment that I didn't know what to do with it.
[17:23]You know, I mean, I believe now because of that and because another very strange thing happened
[17:29]on this trip, I wanted to go inside someone's house because I wanted to see where my,
[17:34]my male character Clayton, where he might live. And Clayton had the, the bar, the lion and
[17:40]a vintage Chevy Belar convertible. And those were his main things. And we answered an ad on the wall
[17:46]of the Mexican restaurant for a woman who makes sweet rolls because, and I thought, well, we'll
[17:52]go there. We'll get some sweet rolls and we'll see what her house looks like, you know, we go in,
[17:57]we're chatting with her, we buy some sweet rolls. Her husband comes home, we chat with him,
[18:02]we leave, and he was driving a vintage Chevy Belar convertible, which was parked in front of the
[18:07]house exactly as I described it. The top was down. It was a gorgeous car, but it was, and all
[18:15]I've been able to figure from this because, you know, I just think that there are things in life
[18:20]that we don't understand that science can't explain, you know, I don't think necessarily
[18:25]religion explains it. I think it's something that we've created for because we need religion. And
[18:32]I don't have a, not a religious person, but I'm something, you know, I'm so, I believe in the power
[18:40]of the world to shape your life. And so those things had happened before I met, I met Peter. And so
[18:48]yes, I think I do have some sort of, I think my sister Amy has it too. She's talked about it a
[18:54]little bit, but I truly, that, that incident was so crazy that even when I talk about it, I don't
[19:02]think people understand what that was like to just turn that corner and see that tree. I mean,
[19:06]it was really freaky. So, you know, I'm not somebody that, that Google's very much, I mean, I
[19:13]Google like everybody, I Google Peter the minute he wrote me, I was Google like him, but when I got sick,
[19:22]it wasn't, it's not my way to do that. And I think when you get sick, you just do things that
[19:27]you have to just do things the way you do them. And because that's who you are, there's no right
[19:32]way to be sick. And if you're going to Google, if you need to talk to a million doctors, if you
[19:36]need to do that, you will do that. And it will help you. And if you're like me and you just need to,
[19:41]you know, find a doc, I had a doctor that I knew was great. I just, you know, Peter said to me,
[19:48]doc, this is Dr. Gail Robos at Well Cornell, he said to me, we're on the Robos train. And then
[19:53]she goes wherever we tell her, we tell her, she tells us to go. And she told me to go have this
[20:00]and that, you know, she said you're not a statistic.
[20:05]So right, you're not.
[20:07]Oh my gosh.
[20:08]So I did what she told me.
[20:11]Wow.
[20:12]I mean, you've been through so much.
[20:14]I mean, you and Peter collectively, your stories,
[20:17]even like the loss of his mother, the accident,
[20:20]he got head to witness as a child.
[20:22]Like all these losses and your spouses
[20:27]and yet here you are, right?
[20:28]starting fresh with all sorts of hope and love
[20:32]and like the innocence of like a childhood crush
[20:36]and now you're, you know, in this mad love affair
[20:39]and even it sustains you like anyone you got sick
[20:42]and he was like, we're, you know,
[20:44]we're gonna, we're gonna get through this.
[20:45]It's gonna be okay.
[20:46]Yeah, no, he was so, I keep saying him how to do tip.
[20:50]I don't know.
[20:51]He said I just thought, you know, we'll get through it.
[20:53]And he gave me this lovely little Valentine
[20:57]that we put on the wall,
[20:58]which was a couple going through a tunnel of love.
[21:00]It was like in the 1920s, you know,
[21:02]and he said, we're gonna go through the tunnel
[21:04]and we're gonna, you know, come out stronger.
[21:07]You know, we put it on the wall in the hospital.
[21:10]And in fact, I don't know where it is now.
[21:12]I realized, I think I thought it was so,
[21:14]that's just like me.
[21:16]I can't, you know, you don't like me, that is.
[21:19]I have to, it's like friends doing it,
[21:21]go on to someone, you're moving hospital rooms
[21:23]and I don't think it made it, I don't know if it made it home.
[21:26]It certainly made it into the 10 West
[21:29]where I had my bone marrow transplant.
[21:31]It was on the wall there, every.
[21:34]But how do you now sort of move forward one step or another?
[21:37]I mean, as you mentioned, like you finished your book
[21:39]right before the pandemic hits
[21:40]and even at the beginning of this book,
[21:42]I was thinking like, oh my gosh, after this,
[21:44]after she started the book at the beginning of the pandemic.
[21:47]Right.
[21:48]Yeah.
[21:48]But it ends, the narrative ends.
[21:50]Oh, yes, it does.
[21:51]That's correct.
[21:52]Yeah.
[21:53]And the reader knows what's coming next for you,
[21:55]even though you don't tell it,
[21:56]which is even more powerful.
[21:57]Like you could have been like, and then that, you know,
[22:00]but we all know like March of 2020.
[22:02]Oh my gosh.
[22:03]And now here we are right at, I mean,
[22:05]I did not the end, but at some new stage.
[22:07]Like how do you go forward in the world
[22:10]and make sense of all of this?
[22:12]And like, like just what do you do,
[22:16]where are you emotionally at this point in your life?
[22:19]And like after all of this,
[22:22]what meaning are you finding in it all?
[22:23]I know that's kind of a big question,
[22:25]but yeah, I don't, it's a hard question actually.
[22:29]I mean, one of the reasons I ended at COVID was
[22:32]that this, that was when my story, you know,
[22:34]my story became everybody's story at that moment.
[22:38]Mm-hmm.
[22:39]COVID is a shared experience.
[22:41]And it's transformed us in so many ways that I,
[22:44]you know, I don't, and it's transformed us differently
[22:48]at different ages.
[22:49]I mean, I'm so, my nieces are, you know,
[22:53]they're raising little children now
[22:55]and they're lying so difficult to me
[22:57]and trying to figure everything else out, you know,
[22:59]I mean, it was so hard to be in my 20s and 30s
[23:03]and figuring it all out, you know,
[23:05]how could I have the career I wanted?
[23:07]How, why did I marry this?
[23:09]My first husband was, I just married him
[23:12]because he asked me, you know,
[23:13]I didn't even realize in my 20s that you could have a wife.
[23:16]So if I had been in my 20s and this had happened to,
[23:19]I don't know how would have found my way.
[23:22]So I think it's a very difficult time we're living in.
[23:25]You know, I'm lucky I have a home I really love
[23:27]on 10th Street and I have had a fantastically lovely career.
[23:33]I mean, I've made my living by my imagination,
[23:36]which has been a great joy.
[23:38]And so, and I've had great love.
[23:42]I mean, so I feel that I've really been blessed.
[23:46]But I find this a very difficult thing.
[23:48]I find this thing of putting on masks
[23:51]and being, I'm not a careful person.
[23:54]I think it, you know, I mean, Peter and I
[23:56]in the beginning of the pandemic,
[23:57]we walked down the street and he was just like,
[23:58]yank me suddenly because of course,
[24:01]it's been ball with something I was looking at,
[24:03]you know, and walking into a person without a mask,
[24:05]you know, I mean, New York has happened in place.
[24:09]And it's struggling now because it's everyone wants
[24:14]to do things and it isn't as safe as it was.
[24:17]So it's very, I think everyone's just having
[24:19]a rough time trying to, trying not to be depressed,
[24:23]trying to, you know, be positive,
[24:25]trying to figure it all out.
[24:27]It's Jim.
[24:29]My husband and he had in that house
[24:31]that my parents trapped,
[24:34]my parents when they were so difficult
[24:36]and drinking all the time.
[24:38]That knows, really God knows.
[24:41]Yeah, I'm glad you said that about Peter
[24:43]grabbing you on the sidewalk
[24:44]because my husband Kyle does that to me all the time.
[24:47]I'm constantly like engaged in something else.
[24:50]Like what I'm thinking or what I'm doing or something.
[24:53]And he's like literally has to like steer me away.
[24:56]He's like, I understand what you did without me.
[24:58]He's my second husband, especially on the airport.
[25:00]And I also don't think I hear people.
[25:02]I don't know what it is.
[25:03]I can't tell when people are close to me.
[25:06]You know, so like I'll be like,
[25:07]I'll just like randomly like almost bump into someone
[25:10]or turn with like a waiter with a tray on up
[25:12]and he's like, no, no, no, I'm exactly the same way.
[25:17]I mean, we all do navigate the world differently.
[25:20]Yeah.
[25:21]And this I know I was like somebody told me
[25:23]that, oh, I think my son has that.
[25:24]I was like, has it.
[25:25]It's a thing like what do you mean?
[25:27]I'm like, how's what?
[25:29]I just, you know, that is so funny.
[25:33]Yeah, I think it goes back to like some test I took
[25:36]where it said I was, you know, what was the word?
[25:39]I can't really do that.
[25:40]I can't really do that.
[25:40]I'm passionate too.
[25:42]That's what the word is.
[25:43]Thank you.
[25:44]I was gonna say impaired.
[25:45]I think they told me I was impaired
[25:47]when it came to spatial relationships.
[25:48]Oh, I'm passionate too.
[25:50]I have things.
[25:51]Oh, yeah.
[25:53]Yeah, there's like too many inputs, right?
[25:55]There's like a serious, imaginative.
[25:57]That's what it is.
[25:58]Oh, thank you.
[25:59]I like the positive.
[26:00]Positive to get out of that.
[26:04]Well, maybe we'll bump into it.
[26:05]Definitely a thing.
[26:07]It's definitely a thing.
[26:08]Okay, I'm glad I'm not alone.
[26:10]Oh, my gosh.
[26:11]What are you hoping the most?
[26:12]The book is coming out very soon.
[26:14]Like what are you hoping the most
[26:16]having this out in the world?
[26:17]What would make you feel like, okay?
[26:18]I hope that everybody buys it, I hope it sells.
[26:23]That's why you always talk with a book.
[26:26]I hope people read it and laugh and cry.
[26:30]That's what I hope.
[26:33]Well, you've been through so much
[26:34]and we didn't even like touch on your amazing career
[26:36]because there was just so much in this particular book.
[26:39]But as you said, you know, I jumped on the chance
[26:42]to talk to you because I've been a fan of yours
[26:44]for so long.
[26:45]I just knew it would be good.
[26:46]I like couldn't wait.
[26:47]And of course it was.
[26:49]And it's a big title again, which is the title
[26:51]is left on 10, the second chance of life.
[26:54]So everybody please go pick up this book.
[26:57]It is beautiful and wonderful and inspiring.
[27:00]And you know, again, I hate saying funny
[27:03]when there's sad things, but on the other hand,
[27:05]that's what gets us through the sad
[27:06]and the hard is finding the humor in all of it.
[27:09]So anyway, thank you.
[27:12]Thank you for coming on.
[27:13]You very much as an absolute joy to talk to you.
[27:16]Oh, thank you.
[27:17]All right.
[27:18]Well, I hope I bump into you.
[27:19]Yeah.
[27:20]You.
[27:21]All right.
[27:22]I'm hopeless.
[27:23]Not hyperbits.
[27:26]Okay.
[27:27]Bye bye.
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