Idina Menzel and Cara Mentzel, LOUD MOUSE
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[1:14]This is a very, very special episode with Adina Menzel and her sister Cara Menzel, and it's about their new children's book called Loud Mouse.
[1:24]Adina Menzel, if you don't know her by name, is a powerhouse actor, singer, songwriter, philanthropist, entrepreneur, and now a writer.
[1:33]She was Tony nominated for her Broadway performances in Rent and If Then, winning the prize for Wicked and Screen Girl.
[1:41]People around the world know her as Elsa, in Disney's Oscar winning Frozen and Frozen 2.
[1:47]She has performed at the Oscars and the Super Bowl, and is the co-founder of a broader way foundation.
[1:53]His mission is leadership development to amplify young women's voices through the arts.
[1:58]Loud Mouse is Adina's latest endeavor to build on the message of empowerment and finding our voices.
[2:04]Adina's greatest gift is her son Walker.
[2:06]Her sister is Cara Menzel, and her debut memoir, which I read, which is great, is called Voice Lessons, a sister's story,
[2:13]and it was all about her relationship with her superstar sister, Adina Menzel.
[2:17]And yes, they happen to spell their names differently in case anyone is reading this.
[2:21]Cara's memoir was a good reads choice award in 2017.
[2:26]Cara lives in Boulder, Colorado, where she and her husband raised their Brady Bunch of Boys against the beauty of the Rocky Mountains.
[2:32]She has a master's degree in elementary education with an emphasis on children's literacy, and though she currently spends most of her time writing,
[2:39]she enjoyed teaching elementary school for well over a decade and can occasionally be found back in the classroom talking about books she loves.
[2:46]This is her first picture book.
[2:48]And let me also say that my daughter sang a version of the song that Adina wrote and performed that goes with this called Loud Mouse, and it's beautiful.
[2:59]So I'm going to play clip of it while I'm doing the interview, but stay tuned at the end of this episode if you would like to hear my nine-year-old daughter's entire song.
[3:09]Welcome, Adina and Cara. Thank you so much for coming on Moms. Don't have time to read books.
[3:13]I'm so thrilled to have you here.
[3:15]Thank you, I'm very honored.
[3:18]Loud Mouse is so gorgeous.
[3:21]The illustrations are amazing and the story is so inspiring.
[3:25]Tell listeners, why did you two decide to write this book together?
[3:30]And what is this children's book really about at its heart?
[3:33]Yeah, I wasn't sure what I wanted to write about for a long time.
[3:38]And it finally dawned on me that I thought I wanted to have this conversation with kids about what I was a little girl.
[3:45]And I knew deep down that I had something special to share.
[3:49]But I wasn't sure how much space to take up with it and how much to call attention to myself.
[3:56]And it was scary to make myself vulnerable because, like Cara says, when you want to be seen and heard, then, and it happens, and you're really seen and you're really hurt.
[4:05]So that elicits a lot of complicated emotions, especially, I mean, it still happens for me as an adult, especially as a child.
[4:14]So when I decided that sort of where I wanted to go, I didn't want to do it on my own.
[4:19]My sister is the writer, she's a teacher, she's specialized in literacy.
[4:25]She knows me better than anyone in the whole world.
[4:27]And so I didn't want to do it unless she would do it with me.
[4:30]So then I called her an aster.
[4:33]And Cara's memoir, you talked about how publishers or editors came to you to write a memoir and you said I want to do with my sister.
[4:39]And they said, oh, she could be the ghostwriter.
[4:41]And you're like, no, no, no, my sister is no ghostwriter.
[4:44]She's going to write the whole thing with me or she's not going to do it.
[4:47]And then she ended up writing the whole book, which is wonderful.
[4:50]Thank you.
[4:52]I was a huge accomplishment, a whole different game to write a memoir versus a picture book.
[4:57]But so I'm like equally difficult tasks.
[5:01]Well, I have to say I also went to a very similar sleepaway camp.
[5:05]And I was also in the play and they also did not let my parents come.
[5:08]And I was devastated, devastated.
[5:10]I was in the diary of Anne Frank and I was Anne.
[5:13]It was my the only starring role I've had in my life.
[5:15]It's been that was basically it age 12.
[5:18]And Frank, it like staged or manner or French woods.
[5:21]It wasn't.
[5:22]Although I actually just finished French woods.
[5:24]But it wasn't there.
[5:25]It was in a regular all around camp.
[5:27]And later they were like, well, maybe they just knew you could memorize the lines.
[5:30]And I was like, that is so not nice.
[5:32]I am not an actress.
[5:35]But anyway, I completely related to that moment of video of myself singing.
[5:39]Oh, I think maybe I did mention this, of course.
[5:42]I was like, you know, bushel on a pack or take back your manker.
[5:46]Whatever it is.
[5:47]I'm like, this is a strip tease.
[5:49]Yeah.
[5:50]I'm a you think my parents shouldn't see me do this.
[5:55]I was really moved by one moment.
[6:00]Do you know when you heard Kara singing to her child?
[6:03]And you realize that she also has this amazing voice.
[6:06]And then you had this moment like, what if I didn't let her star power really shine.
[6:11]And I feel like there's so much of that.
[6:13]There there's a lot in this children's book of one person growing so big
[6:18]and everyone else doing the same size.
[6:20]Then maybe you could just talk about that and what it feels like in relation to others.
[6:24]When you're, you know, you talk in the children's book about can a star not shine.
[6:29]Of course not.
[6:30]But the effects of the other star is not shining as brightly.
[6:32]What does that do?
[6:33]And I feel like nobody talks about that.
[6:35]Yeah.
[6:36]I'm so glad you brought that up.
[6:37]That's that's something we haven't touched on as much today I think.
[6:40]And that's a really good.
[6:41]I was that was one of the special things about the book that we really wanted to try and tackle for sure.
[6:48]You talk about how that was for you.
[6:51]No, I think that's what happens is we hide our gifts.
[6:56]You know, in order we're afraid that, you know, we'll be too much and we'll steal attention from someone else,
[7:04]and we'll see if it's someone like your sister who you want to shine and have her moments.
[7:08]And so I think there's always that kind of navigating that dynamic.
[7:14]And then, you know, sort of this co-dependent relationship.
[7:18]And then she's once, she wants her sister to have, she wants me to have these moments and step into the spotlight.
[7:25]You know, while all along, that is somehow complicated for her because she's like,
[7:32]well, I don't know what I want to do with my life.
[7:34]My seven year old sister is already dreaming on being on Broadway and it's got it worked out and she's still figuring it out.
[7:41]And that's like, so I think that happens a lot with siblings and even, you know, married couples relationships.
[7:49]It's always about, you know, how, you know, you always talk about not losing yourself in a relationship, but also being able to learn from the other person and compromise as well.
[8:00]And so is that balance is hard, you know, how do you keep your own identity while also merging with someone else?
[8:06]That's the more grown up version of it.
[8:09]But I think that's also the identity piece of that is really important in loud mouse, you know, because it is family.
[8:16]It is the people that she's closest to her, her little sister, her mom, that sort of help her stick to the truth, like find her truth, right?
[8:26]And I think that's so important because identity is every evolving, you know, we ask kids all the time, like, you know, just be yourself, you know, that's the solution.
[8:36]Don't try to be, you know, just what does that mean?
[8:39]What does that mean?
[8:40]You know, I don't know what that means.
[8:42]I'm still, hey, I'm a children's book author.
[8:44]But five years ago, I was not.
[8:46]That's when I tend to tell people to just go where it feels good, where you feel fulfilled, where it brings you joy, whatever that creative outlet is, you know, for you.
[8:56]And then you can't go wrong if you're sort of following your heart in that way and it will lead you somewhere.
[9:01]That is your passion. That is the thing you are meant to do, you know, with the exception of the few people that are motivated to go the wrong way.
[9:09]The saboteurs.
[9:13]Well, when that is well, have you ever been in your saboteurs?
[9:18]Yeah, but that's one thing we, you know, I did have bullying kids that me, you know, I think looking back were probably jealous or competitive and put me down and said, oh, you're showing off, but we actually made a conscious effort to portray the other kids in this book as very supportive and excited by.
[9:38]this young girl and her love for saying so.
[9:42]And that was tricky because I think it's humor and authenticity that kind of drove the writing.
[9:50]So we still wanted to be authentic.
[9:52]But I think it is authentic for kids to be kind.
[9:55]So we wanted that to be modeled. We wanted that to be on the page.
[9:59]But you still have like.
[10:00]It ran who does have this huge talent.
[10:02]I mean, he draws this amazing, amazing,
[10:05]international space station.
[10:06]You know, it's just a quieter talent.
[10:08]It's just maybe not as fascinating
[10:10]to a class of first graders or whatever.
[10:14]When they can be easily wiped off with somebody else's
[10:16]guest as it says in the book.
[10:18]He totally, but yet, you know,
[10:21]but his identity and how he expresses himself
[10:24]in the world is different and it will be a different book,
[10:28]you know what I mean?
[10:29]The risk of being long-winded here.
[10:31]What I love about what Cara did was
[10:33]when you're talking about the size of things
[10:35]and how we make each other feel
[10:37]or how we feel in the world and how she always,
[10:39]she has this repetitive theme of walking past
[10:42]that Anne Hill and the butter cups and then the redwoods.
[10:46]And when she's excited and she's excited to go to school
[10:49]and share her voice, she's getting larger in perspective
[10:54]to what she's, is that right?
[10:55]It was what she's walking past.
[10:57]And that's how we feel in life, like we feel at all today,
[11:00]you know, it doesn't have to be height,
[11:03]but we just feel that, like you know,
[11:05]how many people tell me when they meet me
[11:07]that they thought I was six feet tall when I was in wicked
[11:09]because but they don't realize I was in all black
[11:11]and I was wearing heels and a black tall pointed with that.
[11:15]But it's also because I felt powerful, you know,
[11:17]and I was doing my thing.
[11:18]And then on the way back,
[11:19]when she's feeling really demoralized,
[11:21]she's sort of shrinking and just in perspective.
[11:27]And then when her little sister says, you know,
[11:29]well, you've always been big and loud to me.
[11:31]Yeah.
[11:32]It's already sort of, you know, using imagery established
[11:35]the size is relative.
[11:37]But so for the little sister, big sister is bossy and loud
[11:40]and they're, and so yeah, those are really important
[11:45]sort of embedded themes that we wanted to have on the page.
[11:50]Yeah.
[11:51]Even that the sadness of success, the loneliness factor
[11:55]because it was a little lonely for her to be so big
[11:59]because she was at their by herself.
[12:00]I don't know.
[12:01]And people don't discuss like, okay, I've got,
[12:03]here's my gift and I'm starting my stuff
[12:06]but where's everybody else?
[12:08]Exactly.
[12:09]Exactly.
[12:10]And that there's an educator guide that we put together
[12:12]that has like 10 lessons and stuff.
[12:14]And half of them are really social emotional learning focused.
[12:19]And one of those lessons that it makes me think of
[12:21]is called take a seat.
[12:22]And it's like, you know, kids have to sit in different chairs
[12:26]in the classroom and talk about what they notice
[12:28]or what they feel.
[12:29]And one of the seats is like the teacher's chair in front.
[12:32]You know, and this idea that, you know, it feels different
[12:37]to be in these different roles in these different positions.
[12:40]Sometimes you feel bigger.
[12:42]Sometimes you feel, I mean, how do we feel?
[12:44]Sometimes you go to kindergarten, parent teacher conference
[12:48]when they put you in those teeny chairs.
[12:49]And all the time.
[12:50]That's always fun.
[12:52]It's not because it makes people more slender than those chairs,
[12:56]you know, different.
[12:58]Yes.
[12:59]But it is lonely.
[13:00]I think that's, I mean, I just know that I experience that.
[13:03]Sometimes in order to have that sort of transcendent experience
[13:08]when you're doing something so pure and with a love of something,
[13:13]it can feel very solitary because you really have to make yourself
[13:17]completely vulnerable.
[13:19]And there's that fragility.
[13:21]And for me in my life, in order to connect,
[13:25]I've learned to really make a connection and to move an audience.
[13:30]So to speak, it only works when I made myself vulnerable
[13:35]and I took a risk.
[13:37]And that can be lonely to do that.
[13:39]Yeah.
[13:40]I would imagine there would be a huge sense of like emotional
[13:43]depletement afterwards.
[13:44]Right.
[13:45]Yeah, there's a passion.
[13:46]And then I was really struck also,
[13:50]I think it was Kara in your note or somewhere in your book
[13:54]when you said that the two of you come together
[13:56]and you're always there for each other.
[13:57]But that for a while you were seeing each other mostly
[14:00]at family stuff, like you can be in touch.
[14:02]But sometimes you don't even see the people you love
[14:04]until not in the fabric of your everyday life anymore
[14:07]because the DNA you were traveling all the time
[14:08]and you were farther away.
[14:10]And how do you stay close and maintain those bonds,
[14:13]especially between sisters or best friends or whatever
[14:15]when you are far apart and you do tend to only reunite
[14:19]with something really good or really bad happens?
[14:21]So like how do you navigate that?
[14:24]Well, we were really lucky during the pandemic.
[14:27]One of the silver linings for us was that Kara relocated
[14:32]to LA and we she rented a home nearby
[14:36]with a pool or like a little pool house
[14:38]that we converted to a school house.
[14:40]And then five mommy friends
[14:42]and I brought our kids over to Kara, dump them off.
[14:47]And she, what'd you do?
[14:50]You connected with the school curriculum
[14:52]and the teachers virtually and then once the parents knew
[14:55]how great Kara was, we were sort of off and running
[14:58]and off the screens and that was just so nice to be
[15:01]in the same town.
[15:02]My son developed this wonderful bond with Aunt Kara,
[15:06]which he always loved her, but this is special
[15:09]during that time to have this sort of,
[15:12]that these our kids were so free and running outside
[15:15]and learning in a place of felt and suffocating
[15:18]and this one-on-one experience, you know,
[15:21]they really bonded and that just felt so good to me.
[15:25]I loved it because, you know, when he's young
[15:28]and I would see him, it's still like all about mom, you know?
[15:33]And then I have all boys.
[15:34]So then when I would, you know, it gets a little older
[15:37]and I see him but I'm with Jake or Jake and Avery
[15:40]or Jake, Avery and Oscar and he wants nothing to do with me.
[15:43]He's got his cousins all around, you know what I mean?
[15:46]Yeah.
[15:46]And I think also being the son of celebrities too,
[15:52]I never wanna be one more person.
[15:55]He has to pay attention to or something else on the radar.
[16:00]I just wanna be sort of present, you know?
[16:03]So I was never kind of reaching for him in that way.
[16:07]I don't know how to explain that.
[16:08]So organic and he needed you and though it was perfect
[16:12]because it was like, oh, yes, I can do.
[16:15]You know, and my whole family was able to pick up and leave
[16:17]because they're older, my son was in high school.
[16:21]So he was already remote.
[16:22]He was the testament to you and what a great teacher
[16:25]and human you are.
[16:26]And it's also that he just wanted to get the hell away
[16:28]from me because I was helicoptering.
[16:30]Did you do this assignment yet?
[16:33]Did you do this?
[16:34]Did you do that?
[16:35]You know, she'd take them to the beach
[16:37]and have them creative right in their journals
[16:39]looking at the ocean and then take them for ice cream
[16:42]and they jump in a pool and then they do math.
[16:44]You know, and it was just like,
[16:45]we talk about all the time, my mommy friends
[16:48]and I about just how it's literally saved our center.
[16:52]That's all that matter.
[16:53]It's only I could have jumped my kids there.
[16:55]That's exactly.
[16:57]Actually, I have four kids and my daughter,
[17:00]who's nine loves to sing
[17:02]but gets very embarrassing and public.
[17:04]And we spent probably an hour straight
[17:08]with her singing your song over and over and over again.
[17:12]The loud mouse song.
[17:13]And so I recorded it.
[17:14]Can I play you like a few seconds of it?
[17:16]Oh my God, but she can just say let it go.
[17:18]I'm so sorry.
[17:19]No, no, no, the new song,
[17:20]wait, I have to play it for you
[17:21]because we spent so long on it.
[17:24]And she was so excited.
[17:25]You okay with you sharing it?
[17:27]She is.
[17:28]She's okay.
[17:29]She's okay with it.
[17:30]I'll just play it like,
[17:31]tell me she's more brave than me
[17:33]because I have yet to have the nerve.
[17:36]Oh, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, oooht.
[17:42]Don't know about it.
[17:44]Not to be told.
[17:46]Don't tell her not to.
[17:48]Oh, not to be small.
[17:50]Don't tell the ocean.
[17:53]Not to be blue.
[17:55]Don't let somebody tell you not to be you.
[18:00]Oh, I'm just gonna be me.
[18:03]Who else would I be?
[18:05]I'm just gonna be me who else would I be la la la la la la la.
[18:17]Oh, that's not that.
[18:18]That's not at all.
[18:19]That's such a vibe already.
[18:21]Yeah.
[18:22]Do you tell her what I love about it is I can hear that she
[18:26]emulated some of the things that I did,
[18:27]but she also made it her own.
[18:29]And to do that, it's such a young age, shows real artistry.
[18:33]It's amazing.
[18:34]And then that's her made my day, which this is a pretty big day.
[18:38]So the fact that that topped it.
[18:40]You know, well, this is all we've been singing around here.
[18:46]I'll have you know, but I'm glad it changed.
[18:49]You know, the set list is changing a little bit.
[18:51]It's true.
[18:52]It's true.
[18:53]It's really wonderful.
[18:55]You know, the message behind it is so great.
[18:57]The message behind all of it.
[18:58]And it's so empowering for kids who everyone has their own interest.
[19:03]You know, you have kids, everybody just, they have their things.
[19:06]And it's like, well, maybe I shouldn't like this or maybe this shouldn't be my thing
[19:09]or whatever.
[19:10]So I didn't say that very well.
[19:12]But it's really empowering for you to see what you love is so important.
[19:17]So anyway, thank you for having that stuck in my head forever.
[19:19]It will be scary.
[19:22]It's okay.
[19:23]It's all good.
[19:24]I woke up singing it to my son.
[19:25]He's like, mom, anyway, do you two have plans for more children's books together?
[19:32]Well, we started writing the sequel already, which is in the publishing world, man.
[19:37]They like, they don't give you a break, like this takes a year.
[19:40]So get on.
[19:41]I'm supposed to be back for any today, I'm like, today.
[19:43]I'm supposed to be back for any today.
[19:46]Yeah, but it's going to be called Proud Mouse because it's, it's focuses on carelly and
[19:52]exactly what we've been talking about and trying to pave her own way and find her own
[19:57]lane in life.
[19:58]That's an image.
[20:00]of having a very bossy sister who takes up a lot of space with it.
[20:05]I think it's equally funny and equally, and dear and it's actually more.
[20:10]Yeah, it's really fun. It's really fun. It's really difficult to write children's books.
[20:17]Of course, I knew that it would be, but because there's a simplicity to them,
[20:22]but there's also a sophistication, right? And that we grew up
[20:28]loving and the ones that we loved reading to our sons. I think there had to be,
[20:31]they have to be multi-level in their themes and messaging, and that's just what we were inspired
[20:39]by those books that we loved. Yeah, just that kind of nailing that balance is really
[20:44]is key and challenging. Yeah, I think we did it.
[20:49]You did a great job. It's amazing. I actually read a children's book. It's called
[20:52]Princess Charming. Came out from Penguin Random House. Yeah, do you do? No. Anyway,
[20:59]it came out last year. Yeah, people are like, well, is this really hard? And I'm like,
[21:02]it was so hard, but at the end of the day, it's not that many words. I mean, I'm kidding.
[21:09]You wrote a memoir, Kara. It's like, I know, but every word counts. No, it does. I'm totally kidding.
[21:14]I'm kidding, but yes, you do. It is a totally different endeavor. I get it, but yes,
[21:20]challenging in a different way. No, it's very true. And also, sorry, a children's audience,
[21:24]that's a different attention span that you have to engage. So yes, that's another thing that
[21:30]different from them are somehow, you've got to use a refrain to have repetition to pull them
[21:36]back in, to give them access the whole time. There's like all these things that you have to do
[21:41]to keep a young mind engaging with all the performing I've done in my life and all the
[21:47]high pressure gigs. I'm usually the most nervous when I have to stand up in front of a room for
[21:52]children. Really? And like, especially, I have this camp foundation called a broader way,
[21:57]which we send girls from the city up to a country for two weeks and we sing and we dance and we
[22:04]write and we, it's all using the arts to help amplify young voices, future leaders, we call them.
[22:12]But whenever I'm asked to come up, so I go up there, but when I'm asked to teach a class,
[22:17]I'm terrified because I just, I feel like they see through you so fast, if you're not honest,
[22:23]not that thick, you know, and it just happened the other day. It was down in North Carolina,
[22:28]at North Carolina. I'm singing in front of 400 little kids. And I was filming myself so nervous.
[22:35]Carnegie Hall, no problem. But North Carolina Elementary School wherever I was in Salem. Oh, my God.
[22:46]I'm sure it went well. How did it go? That was great. It was great.
[22:50]It is. If you, if you engage them and you ask them certain questions, sometimes they raise their
[22:56]hand, but they're not really prepared to answer the question. They just want to talk. And so then
[23:00]they just start talking about things that have nothing to do with what you asked them. So I was
[23:05]just, so I was like, okay, let's talk about that. It was great. I'm kindergarten cop,
[23:09]number that Arnold Schwarzenegger totally. Like, maybe you have a tumor or whatever.
[23:15]I would argue that that occasionally happens at grown up for greetings as well.
[23:20]Yeah, true. Very true. You never know. Do you have any advice on all the sisters out there
[23:28]who want to stay in touch or all the best friends? And they don't maybe have as good ways to stay
[23:34]in touch or they they have to cope with maybe one of them has been more successful than the other.
[23:40]And they don't even maybe talk about it or any of that. What do you say to all those people?
[23:45]I mean, for me, I don't know if it's okay to say this, but I'm atheist. So I have to get
[23:51]really clear about what my values are and what's important to me. And then I try to build all
[24:01]my behavior and make all my choices around what I've decided my values are. So I know that family
[24:10]and relationships are that's my priority. And my priority is never to be right or to be better
[24:19]or those my priority is always just to be connected. And I think that makes it really easy to
[24:27]be a cheerleader and really easy to be a protector. And that's the last one when I think of Sisterhood,
[24:34]cheerleader, protector. Oh, truth teller. I think truth teller also, which is you know, you can't be
[24:40]afraid of telling your sister the truth or that, you know, then something missing. So I don't know
[24:47]if that's advice, but to me, sometimes I have to remind myself what, what is actually important to
[24:52]me. So what I behave in the way that I want to instead of letting it happen have hazard like,
[24:57]I've always talked about the role reversal with us. So, you know, I might look like the one that's
[25:04]got the glossier life, you know, more attention, but the truth is when it comes down to it,
[25:12]even though she's my younger sister, I look up to her most of the time. She's the one I call for guidance
[25:18]at my worst. She had married younger, had kids younger. So I always feel she's just like always
[25:24]been the old soul, you know, and so it doesn't even feel that way so much. I mean, she's the hero
[25:30]to me. She's the one I go to. So I think that's that's what makes the successful sibling relationships,
[25:39]friend relationships, is honoring in each other, you know, what you love about them and the truth
[25:48]telling. I mean, my friends and my family, my sister, they, they're not afraid to tell me when I
[25:54]grew up and went to get real. And, you know, I find in my business a lot of people surround themselves
[26:00]with, yes, people. And I do, I'm just like, I have a lot of no people. A lot of people that are like,
[26:09]get your shit together. But that's the way I prefer it because I want to be a good person. And so I
[26:14]try to surround myself with people that I really look up to. Wonderful. Well, thank you so much,
[26:22]both of you for coming on mom's and have time to read books. Thanks, I'm sure for making my
[26:26]daughter's whole world. I come into my name. I try not to say it publicly. Not like, I don't know.
[26:35]I just like, no, I was just thinking first name, but yes, you don't need to say it publicly.
[26:39]No worries. Thank you. And it's very brave of her to share that. And I can't wait to hear more
[26:46]things that she does. And just I really could hear her own style in there, which is really rare
[26:50]for such a young person to have. So tell her to keep searching for that and to emulate,
[26:56]but not imitate. Love it. Well, honestly, it was your book that gave her the bravery.
[27:02]Never would have done it, but you inspired her as you will be inspiring so many other people.
[27:06]Thank you. Love it. Love it so much. All right. Congratulations on the lunch.
[27:10]That was a good choice one. Okay. All right. Bye.
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