Marcy Dermansky, HURRICANE GIRL: A Novel
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[0:58]Marcy Jermanski is the author of Hurricane Girl, a novel.
[1:01]Marcy is the author of the critically acclaimed novels Very Nice, The Red Car, Bad Marie, and Twins.
[1:07]She has received fellowships from the McDowell Colony and the Edward F. Alby Foundation.
[1:12]She lives with her daughter in Montclair, New Jersey, and she was formerly on this podcast for Very Nice so you can go back and listen to that one as well.
[1:20]Welcome, Marcy. Thank you so much for coming on mom's don't have time to read books to discuss Hurricane Girl.
[1:26]Thanks to me, I'm so happy to be here.
[1:30]We're here, we're here, we're all happy, it's perfect.
[1:34]As you know, when I finished reading this book in the middle of the night because I could not put it down,
[1:39]I posted about it right away because I was like, my gosh, and I wasn't expecting the ending.
[1:44]And I just, the whole thing was like such a wonder.
[1:47]I felt like I had just watched this totally gripping movie and left the theater and like wanting to like find people around me to talk to.
[1:56]Luckily I got some on Instagram, but you know, it was really, it was so exciting to read it.
[2:01]I'm always so thrilled when people have such a reaction to my books. It's like, oh my god, this is amazing.
[2:05]So thank you too.
[2:06]Sure, no, of course. It was great.
[2:09]Okay, why don't you tell listeners what Hurricane Girl is about?
[2:12]Oh my gosh, I had to prepare this hurricane girl is about a woman who kind of is at a crossroads in her life. She's only 32 years old and she really impulsively buys a beach house on foreclosure.
[2:21]Moves there.
[2:23]Each turkey sandwiches, go swimming in the ocean and a week later, my hurricane blows it down.
[2:28]And boom, she's got to replan our whole life.
[2:31]And from there, the problem I have to say about telling about this book is it's all spoilers.
[2:36]The next thing that happens to her, it's supposed to be shocking. But, but she does fall in love with a man and we don't know if it's because she loves him or because he's a swimming pool.
[2:44]There's lots of little quirky elements that I just like loaded this book with because I was just having fun while I was writing like pools and cats and turkey sandwiches.
[2:55]So your last book, very nice, was one of the coolest covers and that it looked just like a swimming pool and I have my, I still have my very nice hat which I wear.
[3:03]Oh, that's awesome. I wear it sometimes too.
[3:05]Right? It's so cool.
[3:06]So, and this, of course, I was kind of like chuckling to myself. I'm like, okay, we're back at a pool again here. Like, I know.
[3:12]You must love, tell me about how much you love pools, why pools are an important thing or why you like to write about them so much.
[3:20]You know, I mean, I'll just tell you one thing. There's a writer that I love Japanese writer who came out a comedy and there's actually like a Heruki Murakami bingo game because it's like drink if he puts in somebody drinking whiskey drink if somebody is listening to jazz.
[3:33]It's just like he repeats himself constantly.
[3:35]And as I write more and more books, I find myself just repeating certain elements like swimming pools and sandwiches.
[3:42]He lines in two books and I just said, well, he can do it. I can do it. And I don't know if that really works, but it works for me.
[3:50]And I think about swimming pools and swimming. I went swimming yesterday, which was like the last official day of summer and the East Coast.
[3:58]There's something to me about being underwater and being weightless and just how good it makes me feel. And so I've just started putting it into my books and sometimes I feel like when I meet other swimmers that their kindred spirits for me, not everybody likes to swim.
[4:13]So I have to start being more respectful of people who don't, but it's just it's just like if you want like an instant happiness pill.
[4:20]So if it has to be if I have to take a shower or a bath, like that can even suffice, but pools are just so pretty. I feel like and they're just so different and interesting. So I have real pool and being like compare them. It's a thing.
[4:34]I do agree and in fact, I tell my kids that sometimes like when they're inconsolable or something's happening to one of my teenagers or whatever. I'm like taking a shower will change your mood.
[4:46]I mean, reading also I think picking up a good book if you are the type who can like throw yourself in and like get immersed immediately, which I am, which is great.
[4:55]Yeah, but a shower is just like fresh start like something resets so elemental right.
[5:01]So where do you swim?
[5:04]Where do I swim? Unfortunately right now right now I think I don't have anywhere to swim because it turns off. I mean, I just swim like I have friends. I have pools.
[5:13]I belong to a public pool among clear New Jersey, which is where I live and I'm pretty happy with things not fancy.
[5:18]I have fancy friends with fancy pools. I put them into my books. I love the ocean. And I used to belong to the YMCA and right now just with COVID and just just I really prefer to swim outdoors anyway.
[5:30]I kind of take a break between the fall and the winter and then I have a friend in spring who lets me swim in her backyard pool. So I'm hooked up for.
[5:39]Yeah, yeah.
[5:42]Did you like to swim as a girl too? Like is this a lifelong passion or do you?
[5:46]It is a lifelong passion, but I was a lifeguard in high school and that's really what started me was like laps and like just really loving it was getting that job.
[5:55]And until then I was actually the kid and I always used to look at adults and think wow, they're so boring. They just go back and forth.
[6:01]I was really disdainful of them. But then once I once I started swimming laps and I think that wasn't my temperament as a kid, but I've always swam.
[6:09]I had a pool in my backyard growing up. It's always just been been part of my existence and my daughter right now is taking a swim class. I'm trying to put her on the lifeguard track.
[6:17]I'm like you're going to want a job.
[6:19]Yeah.
[6:20]Yeah.
[6:21]I was in Montclair, New Jersey last year for the Montclair literary festival.
[6:24]Oh, right. If you were in the morning and I didn't get to come see you.
[6:27]No, no, I'm not trying to shave you or anything.
[6:29]It's a nice little community.
[6:32]It is. It's really nice.
[6:34]It's like pouring rain, which it also is.
[6:35]Oh, and Stanley, but yeah.
[6:37]That's my memory of Montclair, New Jersey.
[6:39]No, so fortunate because it's like such a nice outdoor festival intense.
[6:42]Yeah.
[6:43]Next time. Next time.
[6:44]Okay. So tell me about what happened after very nice came out and this book.
[6:49]When did you like, was this book in the works when that was coming out already or when did you start this?
[6:55]Look, it feels like it's one like you sat down and just did it.
[6:59]But I'm sure that is not true.
[7:02]No, that's not true at all.
[7:03]Part of my process.
[7:04]I hate my process as a writer.
[7:06]Maybe you do so many projects right now is I'm almost always unfortunately.
[7:10]I have to finish a book and not only finish a book, but the book comes out.
[7:14]And then I don't start a new book.
[7:15]Like I want to be a writer that's always writing and I'm not.
[7:18]I'm always writing when I'm working on a novel and when I'm not working on a novel.
[7:22]I'm just really unhappy because I'm not working on a novel.
[7:26]And I know like I should learn from that.
[7:28]But right now by the way, I've been writing this whole past year, but nothing is clicked.
[7:31]Like I feel like a novel at least.
[7:33]It's such an important material.
[7:35]It's like over a year of your life just the first draft or it's a long.
[7:38]It doesn't have to be Kevin Wilson writes books fast.
[7:41]But it takes a lot of time.
[7:42]And so I started working on a book I didn't like.
[7:45]And so I just put that aside.
[7:47]And so it's just coincidental.
[7:49]I think about how her king girl feels like an extension of very nice.
[7:53]And it's nice how that happened.
[7:55]What some people have said to me is that her king girl seems a little bit more like some of my previous books.
[8:00]Like it's being compared to like the red car or to battery.
[8:03]And I think it's as simple as that's because it's a female narrator and it's just one voice.
[8:08]And and very nice was was a really fun fun fun book for me to write because it had five different points of view.
[8:13]And they actually had some male points of view.
[8:15]And I tend to write a lot more about women.
[8:18]And so that was almost like going back to what I'm known for.
[8:21]But I don't plan things when I write nothing's planned so that these elements overlap.
[8:26]It's just not surprising but also not planned.
[8:29]So tell me what a day.
[8:32]Or a year looks like when you're working on a book that's not working.
[8:35]What does that work day look free look like for you?
[8:38]Or it's the same as a book that is working, I guess right.
[8:40]It's a safe process. I mean, I just.
[8:44]Like yesterday, by the way, I'm just saying I went to the beach.
[8:46]And here's one of the things I love about about working for myself is that like things are working for me creatively right now.
[8:53]So I'm like, well, instead of struggling, I'm just going to take a day off and I'm going to really enjoy myself.
[8:57]And I love that about my life, my lifestyle and not and having that flexibility.
[9:01]But in general, I've kind of always made it so that my daughter, you know, has school hours and her school hours are my working hours, which is which is pretty tight.
[9:09]Because, you know, like we're saying like eight to three thirty if you want to also like my groceries and do all the other things out that working parents do.
[9:19]It's a lot.
[9:20]But I tend to like to write first thing in the morning.
[9:23]So on a good day when I'm when I'm really going, which is going to start, it's going to start.
[9:26]My good days are going to start in three days. I just made that up.
[9:29]I just get her off to school.
[9:31]I make a second pot of coffee and make coffee when she wakes up and I make coffee again.
[9:35]I love to write first thing in the day.
[9:38]Because then like by 11 o'clock, 12 o'clock, you're virtuous.
[9:42]It's just like, oh my God, I'm written.
[9:44]I'm happy when I'm writing and I'm happy when I have written.
[9:47]Like I feel like it's a really enjoyable place to be.
[9:50]Like I love writing.
[9:51]Like I love making things up.
[9:53]But if I do that early in the day, then I don't have to worry all day long that I haven't written.
[9:57]And so that's that's my.
[10:00]but preferred way to be interesting.
[10:02]I tried, I went to dinner with a few women authors
[10:06]and I was at the Toronto Film Festival
[10:08]and they were really, they really sold me hard
[10:10]on this idea of waking up and sort of in your still dream life
[10:14]half a week state like getting going then.
[10:17]And so the next morning I was like, all right, fine.
[10:19]Why don't I just try this?
[10:21]Yeah, so I was in a hotel room with my husband.
[10:24]I was like, well, I don't wanna wake him up.
[10:25]So I'm gonna try to do this in the dark
[10:27]and I like take my computer and I try to open it up
[10:29]and I accidentally knock over the glass
[10:31]that like the hotels put there.
[10:33]Next thing you know, there's like shattering glass
[10:34]everywhere of course he's like, what's going on?
[10:36]I'm like, I'm trying to, right?
[10:38]I don't know.
[10:39]I heard this might be helpful, which it wasn't.
[10:42]And I was like, I can't, I personally need to wake up
[10:45]a little more first.
[10:46]I need coffee and time before I can do anything.
[10:49]Broken glass is just the worst, by the way.
[10:51]It is.
[10:52]It is, it's like impossible to get rid of.
[10:53]And so and I've cut my foot so many times
[10:56]on broken glass that I've broken.
[10:58]But even like I think it's just like,
[10:59]you have to live alone, I think,
[11:00]to have that be your writing method.
[11:02]Because yeah, what are you gonna do with your kids?
[11:04]You have to wake up before they go to school, right?
[11:06]Well, that's what they were saying.
[11:07]They said wake up like in five.
[11:08]My kids never get that.
[11:09]No.
[11:10]I don't mind that early wake up
[11:11]because I do already wake up early,
[11:13]but it's something like, but it's usually with them.
[11:15]And I don't know.
[11:17]I don't know.
[11:17]Five, I'm dead by three o'clock in the afternoon.
[11:20]So it's just,
[11:21]yeah, but I'm glad it works for them.
[11:23]Yeah, I'm glad it works.
[11:24]Yeah, sure.
[11:24]Yeah, I don't know.
[11:25]I've always wanted to try something.
[11:28]You tried it hard.
[11:29]Like you failed, you failed in a good way.
[11:31]Like, I did.
[11:32]I did.
[11:33]They were like, try again when you're not at a hotel.
[11:35]And I was like, okay, fine.
[11:36]But no, I don't know.
[11:38]Like, I'll give you more permission
[11:39]to find something better, maybe.
[11:41]Like this, I have to say,
[11:43]since I've been on,
[11:44]since I've been trying to write this novel
[11:45]that I'm doing that's doing March,
[11:47]I have gotten so much other stuff done in procrastination.
[11:50]I have never been so efficient.
[11:52]Like, I've ordered all my holiday cards, holiday gifts.
[11:56]I've cleaned out,
[11:57]to not do that.
[11:59]I've done, I've started companies.
[12:02]So I don't know.
[12:02]Yeah, you just started a magazine.
[12:04]I was just dumbfounded.
[12:05]I was like, how did you do that?
[12:06]Like, yeah.
[12:07]Yeah.
[12:08]You feel like novels.
[12:09]You have to write for us.
[12:10]I would love to write for you, honestly.
[12:12]Please do.
[12:13]That would be amazing.
[12:14]That's exciting.
[12:14]A new opportunity.
[12:15]There you go.
[12:16]By the way, I think the best thing to do when I'm in a novel
[12:19]is there, it's easier for me not to procrastinate
[12:22]when I'm really in a project,
[12:23]because rather than buy things and clean up,
[12:26]what I like to do is I like to open the file and go backwards.
[12:28]I like to go back and read what I've done the day before,
[12:31]or even the week before,
[12:32]because it's always easy to fix things.
[12:35]And then it's easy to move forward.
[12:36]But I feel like with a novel,
[12:37]I'm never starting on the blank page.
[12:40]And so, I mean, I used to write short stories.
[12:42]And now everything I do just goes longer,
[12:45]but that's one of the great things.
[12:46]I mean, to me, it's like heartbreaking to finish a novel
[12:49]because then I'm like, oh, now what do I do?
[12:52]So I love novel writing.
[12:53]So maybe I'm here.
[12:54]I'm giving you advice you to ask for it,
[12:56]you're in like the best place.
[12:58]It's really fun to write.
[12:59]And it's really fun to hear characters talk to you.
[13:01]And like you're in something.
[13:02]So you don't have to start from complete scratch.
[13:05]It's pretty good.
[13:06]That's true.
[13:07]OK.
[13:07]I like that.
[13:08]OK, all right.
[13:09]Now I like the way I like it.
[13:11]It's like, you know, it's like envisioning that every time
[13:15]I work in it, I'm like opening the gate to another playground.
[13:18]No, you're in the playground.
[13:20]You totally are in it.
[13:22]All right, well, thank you for that.
[13:23]Of course.
[13:24]I don't know why we're talking about this and not your book.
[13:26]But that's OK.
[13:28]I mean, yeah, it's fun.
[13:31]Like writing like this book, by the way, I'll just talk about that.
[13:34]You didn't ask.
[13:35]It's like, I never know when something's going to happen
[13:37]until it happens.
[13:39]And so in this book, going back to the plot
[13:42]that I did describe adequately, like the writer writes,
[13:45]I wanted to make a book about somebody
[13:47]that wasn't a writer.
[13:48]And I failed because she writes screenplay.
[13:50]So but I'm like, this is different because she's
[13:52]a screenplay writer.
[13:53]Yeah.
[13:54]And so I have her write horror films.
[13:57]And so here's a good thing.
[13:58]Once you put a detail in a book, then you have it.
[14:01]And so I didn't have anything planned.
[14:03]But once I knew that she was writing horror films,
[14:05]it just became so fun that all of a sudden I'm like,
[14:08]oh, this feels like a horror movie in my book.
[14:11]And that wasn't planned.
[14:12]But once I knew that that was there,
[14:15]like I had it, like there's a moment where Allison walks
[14:18]back into a house that she shouldn't walk back into.
[14:20]And we read it.
[14:22]I felt like the audience saying, no, don't go in there.
[14:24]Don't go in there.
[14:24]Yes.
[14:25]And that's what happens in a horror film.
[14:27]And so once you put something in a book,
[14:29]you get to use it again.
[14:30]And I enjoy that.
[14:32]And so this was the first, this is the first work I ever
[14:35]did that had a horror element in it.
[14:37]And so I liked that very much.
[14:40]And I like surprising myself.
[14:41]So once I had horror, I took it pretty far, I feel like.
[14:45]Yeah.
[14:46]Yeah.
[14:47]Yeah.
[14:48]Not into.
[14:48]I mean, I don't want horror to scare people away
[14:50]because I never read horror.
[14:52]But it's like a, I don't know, domestic terror.
[14:56]I don't know.
[14:57]There's a better word for it.
[14:58]Anyway, it's great.
[14:59]It's really, yeah.
[15:00]But it's also, I feel like it's also
[15:03]really interesting about what it's like to be in a relationship
[15:07]and also what it's like to be in a relationship
[15:09]with your adult mom, right?
[15:12]Coming home again when you're older,
[15:14]what is that like seeing your mom age
[15:18]as Alison does?
[15:20]Like what does that do to you morning the loss of her own father
[15:25]and like having to retread some of those steps?
[15:27]And I mean, that's all really relatable
[15:30]for so many people.
[15:32]Yeah, this book is a really quiet middle to it
[15:34]that gets talked about less.
[15:36]But what surprised me again about writing this
[15:39]and is that that quiet middle there's
[15:41]just so many small little autobiographical elements
[15:44]that are at least for the book.
[15:44]I just sort of did, you know, and you don't plan in.
[15:47]I went back to New Jersey.
[15:48]I used to deny my New Jerseyness for a long time.
[15:51]And now I actually live in New Jersey
[15:52]and I thought after college, I moved to San Francisco.
[15:55]I thought I would never be back here.
[15:56]But I don't regret it.
[15:58]So I mean, I put, I put a scene in this book,
[16:00]the dad in the hospital room.
[16:02]I put him in the hospital room
[16:04]that he really was once in.
[16:06]And so when you look out the window
[16:07]and she sees her elementary school, I mean, that's real.
[16:11]And I think that's like one of the joys of writing, though,
[16:14]I think is just taking all these little things.
[16:17]And you don't even know what's floating in your brain.
[16:19]And suddenly you put it on the page.
[16:21]And so I think it made the book more meaningful for me
[16:25]just using so many real things,
[16:28]but having it be fiction.
[16:29]I don't, I don't ever want to write it no more
[16:32]because I don't want to expose myself
[16:34]where at the same time, I expose myself like crazy,
[16:36]but you don't know what's real
[16:37]and what's not really.
[16:38]You just know that Marcy likes to swim.
[16:40]True.
[16:41]So yeah, it is a layer of protection in there.
[16:46]How long ago is your dad passed away?
[16:48]Yeah, about five years ago.
[16:50]Aw, yeah, thanks.
[16:51]And it was this sort of depiction of your mom after the fact.
[16:56]A little bit.
[16:57]And they're like little things, like her drinking gin and tonnics
[17:00]because her dad liked gin and tonnics, like all, all true.
[17:03]You know what I mean?
[17:04]And I feel like with writing, like if I had changed that
[17:06]to a different drink or to vodka,
[17:09]it's funny how attached you get to details as a writer.
[17:12]Like if you change it and it's not real,
[17:14]suddenly the book doesn't feel as strong,
[17:16]but nobody else knows, so I don't know why.
[17:18]But I always think of writing like when sometimes
[17:21]when people think about who you're writing for,
[17:23]I once went to an Elizabeth Gilbert reading
[17:26]and she once spoke about how she always was writing
[17:28]for like a particular friend.
[17:29]Like she was writing one book for Darcy.
[17:31]It always stuck with me like he pray love
[17:33]was written for another writer.
[17:34]But I'm always writing for myself.
[17:35]It's so weird.
[17:36]Like if I'm pleasing myself, then I know I'm doing a good job.
[17:40]And then I find it so strange that I can publish books
[17:42]because I don't feel like,
[17:44]I'm looking great off the end for selling things.
[17:47]But that's kind of what we're writing for.
[17:48]Like I really have to entertain myself while I'm working
[17:51]and if that feels true,
[17:52]if I'm not forcing things, then it comes out.
[17:55]Well, interesting.
[17:57]I also really like how she views her older brother
[18:00]and his wife and their kid.
[18:02]And how it feels to be the person who's not the one
[18:05]with the kid.
[18:06]I think it actually was the first in my family
[18:08]to have a kid so I can't really just like my brother
[18:10]and I have something to say about it about it.
[18:12]I always have to wear that as pigling.
[18:15]My schedule and my kids
[18:17]and how you get that very sort of myopic look
[18:20]when you have a child that you're dealing with
[18:22]and then everything else.
[18:23]But anyway.
[18:24]And then one of my favorite lines is in the book
[18:26]is really because she can't remember the name
[18:28]of her brother's kid.
[18:29]And see, that's fun.
[18:30]Like I knew sometimes when you write,
[18:32]you're like, oh, I know that's funny.
[18:33]Like I know I had a moment where these two people kiss over
[18:35]a baby and they call the baby the wrong name.
[18:38]Or like that to me felt like magic.
[18:40]And so that's why writing is so great
[18:42]because you can create these moments.
[18:44]And so she's like, where's Phoebe?
[18:46]And he's like, who?
[18:47]Yeah.
[18:48]She's never mind.
[18:52]Yeah, that was a big mistake.
[18:55]Oh my gosh.
[18:56]Well, this is great.
[18:58]This is like the whole thing.
[18:59]I mean, I love this cover.
[19:00]Tell me about the cover.
[19:01]Was this a little bit of a surprise?
[19:02]Well, by the way, because you pretty see other cover.
[19:04]So I thought that was really nice
[19:05]and I was lucky to have the same designer
[19:07]and her name is Janet Hansen.
[19:09]And so she made both books and she's really so good.
[19:12]Like I think she's just a real artist.
[19:14]And so I think this cover can just be interpreted
[19:16]like a lot of different ways.
[19:18]And actually not that it matters that the galley,
[19:21]it was like more of like a pastel color blend
[19:23]and it came out a little bit darker.
[19:25]And I'd like the pastel better.
[19:26]It was more like candy.
[19:27]And you go, okay.
[19:28]Yeah, and I shouldn't admit that I'm zipping
[19:29]because a lot of people listen to you.
[19:31]But there you know, I want nobody heard.
[19:33]Everybody heard it's fine.
[19:34]It's fine because it works this way too.
[19:36]But I kind of think the sun is like a bleeding sun
[19:38]and you know what I mean.
[19:39]And I feel like the blue is the ocean.
[19:41]And I feel like for an abstract image
[19:44]that it really captures the book.
[19:46]And so I love, I don't want to have input
[19:49]when a cover's being designed,
[19:50]but I just love what she does.
[19:52]And this wasn't the first cover that she made
[19:55]and the other cover was a little bit darker
[19:57]and more jarring.
[19:58]And as it doesn't author by the way,
[19:59]it's really really.
[20:00]this theory to say, oh, well this cover doesn't work for me.
[20:03]And so that, and she just came back
[20:05]with a completely brand new image.
[20:07]And so it's really grateful to my publisher
[20:10]and for her and just like just seeing what she could do.
[20:14]But I think it sort of stands out.
[20:15]It's not like other covers.
[20:17]It's true.
[20:18]Yeah.
[20:19]And this is like the shape of a pool.
[20:21]Oh, like, you can see that's so interesting.
[20:22]It totally is.
[20:23]And I never thought of that.
[20:25]Oh, yeah, well, I don't know.
[20:27]We'll see if she meant to do that or not.
[20:29]She probably did.
[20:30]I'm not, you know, I have no idea.
[20:32]She didn't run clear, by the way,
[20:34]but we don't run into each other.
[20:36]Oh, my gosh.
[20:36]I know there's so many people
[20:38]among fair in the literary scene.
[20:39]So I mean, that's why if you're going to pick a town
[20:42]in New Jersey to anybody who's listening
[20:43]among fair, the head of Knop, the American Arthur lives
[20:46]among fair are so many agents, so many other writers.
[20:49]I'm going to go see if Jillian met off
[20:51]for each night at Watson Book Sellers.
[20:53]And so it's a good place.
[20:56]OK, well, good to know.
[20:58]All right.
[20:59]If real estate prices shoot up after this podcast,
[21:02]there you have it.
[21:03]Yeah, we're really making waves here.
[21:07]Oh, good.
[21:08]Yeah, I mean, I bought a house here last summer,
[21:10]so I'm pretty rooted, and that was pretty.
[21:12]I think I must be interested in houses,
[21:14]like my main character, Lost Her House, and I got a house.
[21:18]In my house, I think I moved into this house.
[21:20]And I came a week later, it wasn't even a hurricane,
[21:23]but it was a storm.
[21:24]But so many houses in my neighborhood,
[21:25]all the basement's got flooded.
[21:27]Mine did not.
[21:28]So I was like, I did get, so I feel it.
[21:30]Well, I feel like your whole book is
[21:31]serving an exploration of home.
[21:33]Like, what does it need to be home?
[21:34]Right.
[21:36]Yeah.
[21:37]I'll leave you with that deep thought.
[21:38]I like it.
[21:39]It's so simple.
[21:40]Yeah.
[21:41]I think your house blows away.
[21:43]She has to go home.
[21:44]She's living somewhere else.
[21:46]Like, how do you find that sense of place and home
[21:49]when you're searching for identity?
[21:52]Right.
[21:53]I don't know.
[21:54]Anyway.
[21:55]OK.
[21:55]All done.
[21:57]Well, I'll stop my entire analysis.
[22:01]Marcy, thank you so much.
[22:02]I can't wait for your next book.
[22:03]And for sure, you're essay for us.
[22:06]So make that your short term assignment.
[22:08]OK.
[22:08]I love having this assignment.
[22:09]Thank you so much.
[22:10]I'm serious about that.
[22:11]OK.
[22:11]All right.
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