Chloe Melas and Elizabeth Murphy, LUCK OF THE DRAW: My Story of the Air War in Europe
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[1:03]Chloe, Maylass, and Elizabeth Murphy wrote the introduction to Luck of the Draw, My Story
[1:09]of the Air, War in Europe, which was written by Frank Murphy.
[1:12]Frank is Chloe's grandfather and Elizabeth's father.
[1:17]Chloe, who I interviewed for this podcast about her grandfather's book, is an entertainment
[1:21]reporter for CNN covering breaking news, industry analyses, and in-depth investigations.
[1:26]She currently resides in the New York area, with her husband and two cents.
[1:30]Chloe is who interviewed me for CNN book club, and who also interviewed Alicia Fernandez
[1:34]Miranda about my What If Year.
[1:37]Her mother, Elizabeth Murphy, holds a master's of English literature from Northern Arizona
[1:41]University, and is the author of numerous children's books.
[1:44]She currently resides in Atlanta, Georgia, where she was born and raised.
[1:49]You'll hear their story, you'll hear about their grandfather, and you'll hear about this
[1:53]important book, which was just profiled in people magazine.
[1:57]Today we have a special episode with two lovely ladies, who are the co-creators and
[2:04]issuers forward of Frank Murphy's book, Luck of the Draw, his daughter, Elizabeth Murphy,
[2:10]and his granddaughter, Chloe Maylass, both here, on Mom's Entertainment Tree books.
[2:15]Very exciting.
[2:17]I am so excited to be here with you.
[2:21]This is like such an unbelievable opportunity.
[2:25]So thank you so much, Sydney, seriously.
[2:27]Oh my gosh, of course.
[2:29]And Chloe, you've been nice enough to have me on CNN, and the whole online feature,
[2:35]and the book club feature, and it was so wild and fun to go in studio with you that
[2:40]day.
[2:41]Anyway, that was a highlight, a highlight of my life, so thank you.
[2:46]You are a natural, honestly, that was such a fun interview, and obviously talking about
[2:51]your book, which really has been touched so many lives.
[2:55]You've really just inspired so many people.
[2:57]And that's what I hope we're going to do with my grandpa's book.
[3:00]I'm telling you, I'm not an author here, but I feel like I must be like to be used
[3:05]to be for a moment to shepherd a book and try to promote a book and get a book happen.
[3:11]I have so much admiration for authors after this process, this multi-year process.
[3:17]Well, so Luck of the Draw is my story of the Air War in Europe by Frank Murphy, your
[3:23]grandfather and your father.
[3:25]It is unbelievable.
[3:26]So much information, emotion, source material.
[3:31]It's just an incredible look into one man's sort of unbelievably inspiring journey, how
[3:39]he survived falling from an airplane landing in a German family's backyard, essentially with
[3:46]his parachute, surviving prisoner of war times.
[3:50]But also, he talks about even how he got there and the lead up to it and how it was
[3:55]so different than from what the Air Force is now and the level of training.
[3:58]I mean, he was literally just a student at Emory going about his everyday life.
[4:03]And I think about what the students today are like and imagining if all of a sudden we
[4:07]were depending on juniors at Emory to save the world.
[4:11]It's like crazy.
[4:13]So anyway, talk about how his journey to writing this came about and you're ushering
[4:17]it into the world and just all of it.
[4:21]Mom, that is such a you thing to answer because you're really the reason why Grandpa
[4:26]ever decided to put pen to paper.
[4:28]Well, as I wrote in my forward, my dad rarely spoke about his world or two experiences
[4:35]as we were growing up.
[4:37]We just had a notebook.
[4:38]My mother had put together with a lot of memorabilia and rainy photographs.
[4:42]So once in a while, he would talk about parachuting from a burning plane and his injuries.
[4:49]And it wasn't until, again, I was around 11 or 12.
[4:52]I saw the movie The Greatest Skate and he told us he had been at the same prison camp.
[4:56]We were fascinated.
[4:58]And again, he never gave much details.
[5:02]But years later, I was beginning my writing career.
[5:06]I was writing for children and I got my first book contract with a publisher and Atlanta.
[5:11]And my dad was very excited and he came to me and said he wanted to write a book just
[5:15]for the family, a memoir.
[5:18]And I had no idea it was going to focus on the war.
[5:21]And I said, it's great idea.
[5:23]And so as I recount, I bought him a book to write your own life story for his birthday.
[5:29]And he said about writing his book.
[5:32]And it took a number of years to write.
[5:35]And during this period, I published my first book.
[5:39]We moved to Dallas, Texas for seven years.
[5:41]And this was back in the snail mail days.
[5:45]Dad would often send me an envelope, portions of the book, about different bombing raids
[5:50]and so forth and have me read them.
[5:53]And at some point, as he got involved with the World War II reunions, veterans groups,
[5:59]it came upon a small publisher that told him they would publish the book and dad decided
[6:05]to give all the profits to the mighty eighth museum and pooler, Georgia.
[6:10]And it's then the book I published and he sent us all copies.
[6:15]And I remember when I first read it, the children were too young to read it.
[6:18]The client's stuff and were very young.
[6:21]So, but I remember when I read it, I was astonished.
[6:25]I didn't know any of this, it was wartime experiences, what he had been through.
[6:30]And it really felt like a movie, you know?
[6:33]And we were so proud.
[6:35]And the fact that it went full circle because he went even a step further by going over
[6:39]to Germany, tracking down the farmhouse, meeting the family, you know, the little child
[6:45]that come running up to him when he parachuted his grown man by then.
[6:49]And he started correspondence with this family and he couldn't speak the language.
[6:54]He would write letters in Atlanta and use a German translator and, you know, they went
[6:58]back and forth for years.
[7:00]So it was, yes, obviously, very cathartic.
[7:04]And he enjoyed so much talking about it when he would go to the, to these reunions.
[7:10]So now, Chloe's story is different because I guess by the time she was growing up, little
[7:16]did I know he was regaling her and my nephew with his little wartime stories until I can
[7:22]tell you about that.
[7:24]Yeah.
[7:25]Well, I mean, look, Suzumi, so it really starts with this idea.
[7:29]And mom basically giving kind of like how to write your own life story for Dummies.
[7:33]Yeah.
[7:34]Okay.
[7:35]And my grandfather, you know, it turns out, as I've like done this family tree search
[7:41]and quest and, you know, now I do 23 and me and all this kind of stuff, I'm so interested
[7:46]in my family's history, it turns out there were other like journalists and writers who
[7:50]work for newspapers in our family.
[7:52]So I think it sort of runs in our blood a little bit, the storytelling.
[7:56]And I remember as a little girl being in the basement, my grandfather, you know, was retired.
[8:01]He was writing on a typewriter, then he moved to like a word processor, then a computer.
[8:06]And yeah, I didn't, this published right when I was in college, I didn't read it immediately,
[8:12]but it was around that time that I started developing this interest in World War II.
[8:16]I was learning about it in high school, learning about it more in college and some of my
[8:20]history courses.
[8:22]And when my grandfather was diagnosed with cancer, really shortly after this book came
[8:27]out, I decided to go to England to the Air Force Base where he flew out of.
[8:33]And so that was sort of the beginning of a 15 plus year for me, learning about my grandfather
[8:40]and what he went through.
[8:41]So when I found out that Tom Hanks and Steven Spielberg were going to be telling my grandfather's
[8:47]story in Masters of the Year for Apple TV that comes out this fall, I just knew that
[8:53]this book needed to be really published, not self published, you know, published for people
[9:00]to be able to get because it's been out of print essentially since the moment it came
[9:04]out.
[9:05]So that is where that comes in, but let me tell you, I did not know what was in store for
[9:12]me.
[9:13]And to be like, okay, here's the book, here you go.
[9:16]Just like reprint it, no, that is not what happened, I, that no, this is it a lot.
[9:28]So it's essentially like it's coming out new as if it hadn't been ever released.
[9:32]I mean, when you acquire a book like this or and the publisher, who is who is publishing
[9:37]it?
[9:38]St Martin's.
[9:39]Yeah.
[9:40]It's a new book and all the marketing and everything related to it and almost, you know,
[9:44]that I mean, the craziest part is to be is they were like, all right, so can you send
[9:49]us like the word document or wherever he wrote this and like, it's basically was like
[9:55]written on a scroll, okay, they had to digitize the book.
[10:00]which by the way is sort of, we all sort of like looked at each other. And it's not something
[10:05]that's done often. Then they're like, okay, great. We'll get the book digitized. It's going to
[10:11]take a minute. Can you give us the photos that are in the book? There's like a hundred something photos.
[10:17]I'm like, okay, Grandma. Hey, Grandma, do you know where these photos are? She's like, what are you
[10:22]talking about? I had to fly down to Atlanta for a weekend and dig through the basement,
[10:28]through the storage unit through boxes. And I'm not joking. It was like something out of a
[10:33]movie. All of a sudden, the sun came in through the window, landed on this box in my grandmother's
[10:39]guest room, not even in the places I was looking. And it said photos for the book. It was like
[10:45]in the place, my grandfather had left it back right in 2006, 2007 before he died. All the pictures
[10:52]were there. So then I was like, these are original photographs from the 40s, you know, from World War
[10:58]II. So I was like, how do I take them with me on an airplane? Do I scan them? Do I mail them? These
[11:04]are original copies. So I was like carrying them through the Atlanta Hearts Field Airport,
[11:10]as if it was, you know, the Queen's Royal Jewel. I was so terrified. But look, here we are. And it's
[11:18]been wild. And then it was, how do I get support? What do I do? And so I'm telling you, there's a
[11:25]whole other story about one of the worst days I've had. And I got an email from Tom Hanks
[11:32]with a quote for the book to use for the cover. And I cried and cried. It was the most insanely
[11:39]amazing moment because I had gone through this process, gotten St. Martin's on board. My agents
[11:45]was CNN helped me make this happen at CAA. And, you know, then to then have that support.
[11:52]Yeah, I remember I was overseas when the colleague got the quote. And she said it to me,
[11:57]and it says at the top. And he has a very innocuous email. I didn't read it. Don't say the email,
[12:02]don't say, Tom Hanks is the mouse. She says, don't share this with anyone. And I wrote the quote.
[12:08]And I thought, sis from, you know, and then we talked each other and we both had a good cry
[12:14]because we couldn't be. It wasn't just the Tom Hanks gave a quote. It's what he said. It was just,
[12:20]let me read it here. The quote is, in the pursuit of authenticity, of accurate history,
[12:25]an undeniable courage, no words, matter more than I was there. Read luck of the draw and the life
[12:32]of Frank Murphy and ponder this. How did those boys do such things? Just sounds like Tom Hanks.
[12:38]Yeah. So we were so excited. And, yeah. Well, listen, did you tell the story about Tom calling
[12:45]Rima? No, but let me just say that I, you know, Tom Hanks and Steven Spielberg from Schindler's
[12:52]list to Band of Brothers, the Pacific, they have tirelessly spent such a large portion of their
[12:59]professional careers telling the stories from World War II. And they've always wanted to tell
[13:07]Zippy the story of the air war. But it's, they want to do it right. And they don't want to rely
[13:15]just CGI. They literally rebuilt World War II and the air war, rebuilt planes from scratch,
[13:23]built their own B-17s. It's one of the most expensive TV shows ever made. It was going to be on
[13:29]HBO like the others, but this is going to be Apple TV, which is so exciting. I went to the set during
[13:34]the pandemic, which mind you, I almost missed the opportunity. They were almost going to be done
[13:39]filming. But because of all the COVID restrictions, remember when you had to like
[13:44]quarantine in Europe for two weeks, when you got there, before you could like go out. And I
[13:48]couldn't leave my two little kids for that long. And I was a mom, I'm sure you get that like,
[13:52]I was like, I can't, I'm not going to get to go. And they lifted it. And literally I was on a plane,
[13:57]I think 48 hours later with like 10 of my family. I was like, by the way, I was like, I'm not coming
[14:02]alone. Can I bring my hands, my uncles, my cousin, my brother, my husband. And we went to the set and
[14:10]and it was wild. Tom wasn't there, but now I've developed a relationship with the guy playing
[14:15]my grandfather Jonas Moore. He's actually the narrator, the voice of the audiobook for
[14:21]Luck of the Draw 2, which is awesome. Wow. How did they, how did Steven Spielberg and Tom
[14:27]Hanks find the story? Did they find the old copy of the book? Did you send it to them? How did
[14:32]that happen? Okay, so this is really interesting. So when my grandfather self published his book
[14:38]with a local publisher called F&P at the time, it was like a food and nutrition publisher,
[14:44]and he had been in the eighth Air Force. And he had developed a really wonderful relationship
[14:49]friendship with my grandfather. So they had published it and only put out a certain amount of
[14:54]copies. But my grandfather started speaking at these different World War II reunion groups,
[14:59]the museum in Savannah, and the 100th Bomb Group Foundation, which now I'm on the board of.
[15:04]So that's like also super full circle. And I wish I could tell my Korean father that like,
[15:09]look at me now, like, you know, expected that I'd be, you know, talking about World War II
[15:16]and becoming this like expert in a way on your life. So it got circulated. The copies that were
[15:21]out there among people who were just die hard 100th Bomb Group, Bloody 100th bands, supporters,
[15:28]family members. And when Tom Hanks and Spielberg decided with Hanks' production company,
[15:34]Playtone, Spielberg's production company, Amblin, that they were going to tell
[15:38]Masters of the Year, which is a book written by Don Miller. He's a historian who wrote this
[15:42]New York Times bestselling book. The option is book. My grandfather is quoted in that book,
[15:48]my grandfather knew Don Miller. My grandfather wrote his book shortly after, or around the
[15:53]the same time that Don's book came out, somehow it got into the hands of Playtone. Still to this
[15:58]day, I joke with the people at Playtone. We don't really know how they stumbled across it,
[16:03]but the writers, specifically John Orloff, who wrote band of brothers whose famous and wrote now
[16:09]Masters of the Year, the screenplay, he started going to these 100th Bomb Group Foundation events,
[16:15]and guess who was there to me? And I see so next to him, and I'd pull up a chair, and I'm like,
[16:22]I know I work for CNN, but don't worry, I'm not here as a journalist, I'm here as a granddaughter.
[16:26]We would chat, and I'm not saying I had anything to do with getting it on the radar, but I did
[16:32]interview Tom Hanks. I did interview Steven Spielberg about other projects, and I may or may not have
[16:39]brought my grandfather's book like The Last Copies with me, and physically handed it to them.
[16:45]They had already known about my grandfather's story, but it was a really magical moment when
[16:50]Kirk said us at Playtone said, and I did not bring it up for years. I never asked if Grandpa
[16:56]was going to be in it. I'm just happy that they're telling the stories of the 100th Bomb Group,
[17:00]which is a specific unit that my grandfather was in known as the Bloody Hundred. It's like
[17:05]one of folklore and heroes, and so Austin Butler is going to be the star of this TV show.
[17:12]And when they told me, yeah, your grandfather's in it, he's a character. I mean, I was hoping
[17:19]that they would say that, but I never wanted to ask because that's not my purpose of being
[17:23]friends with these people. I'm just excited to amplify. I'd be amplifying masters of the air,
[17:28]whether or not my grandfather's in it, you know? But yeah, it is just such a wild thing,
[17:33]and that I'm an entertainment correspondent. The fact that this all gets to sort of intersect
[17:39]as the shooting star moment in my life in this one moment, and I loved my grandfather so much.
[17:44]I just want to say he was the nicest, most soft-spoken, sweetest person. He did everything
[17:49]for the family. He always helped anybody, whether it was the worst moment of their life or the best
[17:55]moment of their life. My grandfather always supported, and so it's such a joy for me to be able to
[18:01]use my platform and do whatever I can to tell his story, because he deserves it. And he worked
[18:08]for almost a decade on the book. So I want it to be seen, you know? This is such a crazy story.
[18:14]It's a whole thing. It's amazing. And now the fact that the book is out, and by the way,
[18:20]he's a great writer. It's not just like, it does not feel like somebody just
[18:25]doing it yourself in your closet, like type of writing, not that there's anything wrong with that,
[18:29]but this is actually like a really great history. You know, it's like a James Bradley,
[18:34]that is, I don't know, like all these war reporters and correspondence, and it's so vivid and
[18:41]visual, and you're like in it, and then there's all the source material, but it's his story. And
[18:46]the way he tells it with this like slight remove and analysis, but also the deep feeling,
[18:53]you know, at what it was like being there, it's really amazing. It's amazing. It's like,
[18:58]of course you want to do everything you can to shout it from the rooftops. It's so special.
[19:03]For people who don't know as much about why it is the bloody hundred, they're why this group
[19:07]was so special and why they're even is a TV show. Can you give like the quicks andopsis of
[19:13]who this group is and why it's so important in history? Yeah. So I mean, like you said,
[19:18]just a bunch of just barely 18, you know, right in college or just, you know, barely out of high
[19:24]school guys, you know, enlisting in the war. And you weren't really able, you could try to join
[19:30]the Air Force. You could try to be a pilot, but it really came down to your, you know, abilities.
[19:35]My grandfather all, you know, wanted to fly loved airplanes this whole life. And it was called
[19:40]the eighth Air Force. The eighth Air Force still exists today. And within the eighth Air Force
[19:45]are different squadrons. Okay. And then different bomb groups. And you're just thrown into one,
[19:52]like the title of the book, Luck of the Draw. My grandfather was in the 100th bomb group. They
[19:59]all flew out of English.
[20:00]blend out of Thorpe Abbott's Air Force Base,
[20:03]or most of them flew out of that area.
[20:05]And that's where my grandfather flew out of
[20:06]for, you know, his many, many missions.
[20:09]And this group got a nickname called
[20:12]the Bloody Hundredth.
[20:14]And no one really knows why.
[20:16]Some say it's because the Bloody Hundredth
[20:18]had the most casualties.
[20:20]Others say that the Germans specifically targeted
[20:24]the 100th because of sort of like the rules
[20:27]of engagement that the 100th didn't abide
[20:30]by the rules of engagement up in the sky
[20:33]and that a German fighter pilot put their landing
[20:36]gear down allegedly, which means, you know,
[20:39]don't fire at me and supposedly a 100th
[20:42]plane fired at them.
[20:43]And then allegedly the Germans then targeted
[20:46]this specific group.
[20:47]But out of this group were so many amazing stories
[20:51]in Don Miller, riding masters of the air
[20:54]and focusing on the 100th like he did.
[20:58]Tom Hanks and Steven Spielberg then were like,
[21:00]that's the story we want to tell.
[21:01]We want to tell the stories of the 100th.
[21:04]And there are all of these amazing stories
[21:07]you're going to hear about.
[21:08]Dan Rosenthal's father, Rosie Rosenthal,
[21:11]who's very famous now.
[21:13]All of these men are dead.
[21:14]My grandfather's story will be told Harry Crosby's story
[21:17]will be told I have his book right behind me,
[21:19]a wing and a prayer that was also used for the series.
[21:22]My grandfather's book, Luck of the Draw,
[21:24]was source material for John Orloff and writing the series.
[21:28]My grandfather's book's really interesting
[21:30]because like you said, Zippy,
[21:31]there's not a lot of these stories out there
[21:34]from personal firsthand accounts.
[21:35]Like, Don Miller, it's incredible.
[21:38]Like I said, New York Times bestselling book,
[21:40]but he wasn't there.
[21:41]And my grandfather was and he talks at length
[21:45]about being a prisoner of war from those two years.
[21:49]Yes, they're there in the same prison camp
[21:51]where the great escape happened.
[21:53]Okay, the great escape was the British side,
[21:55]but my grandfather separated by just bar wire,
[21:58]you know, a death march in the snow.
[22:01]I have the shoe behind me right up there,
[22:04]one of the shoes that he used for his march.
[22:06]And he switched shoes with a with a soldier and yeah,
[22:11]on a clog.
[22:12]And now here's the clog.
[22:13]This is insane.
[22:14]Hold on, I'm taking a screenshot of this as we're talking.
[22:17]Okay, sorry, keep going.
[22:18]Yeah, I mean, so it's just incredible
[22:21]and so long and short is these men,
[22:25]they come back from World War II
[22:27]and they get back to their lives.
[22:29]My grandfather finished his time at Emory University,
[22:32]met my grandmother, they popped out four children,
[22:35]my mom, you know, the second oldest.
[22:37]And then my grandfather had this spectacular job
[22:40]as a lawyer for Lockheed Martin back working with airplanes,
[22:44]selling planes for the Saudi royal family
[22:46]and he lived in Saudi Arabia for really a majority
[22:49]of the end of his career.
[22:51]And yeah, like you said,
[22:53]my grandfather happens to be a great writer.
[22:55]And I mean, I always knew he was brilliant
[22:59]and had a way with words.
[23:01]But that's the other thing.
[23:02]It's not just that, oh, it was my grandfather
[23:04]and I'm biased and I love my grandfather.
[23:06]I'm not saying my grandfather's story is anything more
[23:10]exciting than anybody else's grandfather's story.
[23:12]But it's just the fact that he wrote it all down
[23:16]and it's there and there's not many of these stories out there.
[23:20]And this is a historical sacred account
[23:23]and we can look back on this and learn from it too.
[23:26]And yeah, these guys, they had barely any experience
[23:29]any training and the scariest and saddest part is
[23:33]is that they did these daylight bombing raids.
[23:35]They literally went up in the sky.
[23:37]They're not bombing like bin Laden
[23:41]in the middle of the night, not that I'm belittling that.
[23:43]I'm talking like they're flying right now, 1819 morning.
[23:49]As soon as the sun goes up and they're a target in the sky
[23:52]right there for the Germans.
[23:54]But we decided the US that the way that we can accurately
[23:58]do precision bombing would be these daylight bombing raids.
[24:02]But that means you're going to lose a lot of people.
[24:05]And so my grandfather talks about that being in these airplanes.
[24:08]I've been in a B-17 from World War II.
[24:10]It's like a tin can.
[24:12]It's so loud.
[24:13]It's freezing, by the way.
[24:15]And my grandfather was the navigator.
[24:17]He was like, what GPS is now.
[24:19]He's there with a map trying to stay calm, focused.
[24:23]And it's because he's so calm and so brilliant
[24:26]that he was able to map out these targets
[24:29]and get people where they needed to go.
[24:30]But I'm telling you, people out there that think like,
[24:33]well, I'm not that interested in World War II or history.
[24:37]I want to read my crime books or curl up with my love stories.
[24:42]I'm telling you, this really is a page turner.
[24:45]It's really good and you're going to learn something too.
[24:48]And that's why I'm so passionate about telling it in Zibi.
[24:52]I can't thank you enough for using your platform
[24:55]to shine a light on this.
[24:56]I know how much you love your family and your dad
[24:59]and just how much you care about legacy.
[25:02]And I know that you just get it.
[25:06]And I really appreciate that.
[25:08]I do get it.
[25:09]I do think it's amazing.
[25:11]It is so special, a project.
[25:13]And I have so much respect for the two of you
[25:16]for all your efforts in making sure that this story gets out
[25:21]there because it's one thing to write it.
[25:23]And it's another to make sure people read it.
[25:25]So all of your efforts and the collaboration
[25:27]with the show is so exciting.
[25:30]Anyway, it's just amazing.
[25:31]Yeah, I was saying closing my father often lamented
[25:36]at the end of his life how much he wished
[25:38]the book had been picked up by a big publisher.
[25:40]No, this was really his father's wish.
[25:43]He didn't.
[25:43]I wasn't even knew it when I had a print.
[25:45]I didn't know until I went to business museum
[25:47]and they never heard of the book when I went into the money
[25:50]museum in Savannah.
[25:51]So yeah, I don't know it.
[25:53]They will know it now.
[25:54]No, I didn't know it now.
[25:56]This was really, this was my bucket list, you know.
[26:00]Well, congratulations.
[26:01]Actually, my step-grandfather was a rabbi in the Air Force.
[26:04]He was like a rabbi in the medic.
[26:07]Anyway, anyway, maybe they cross paths.
[26:09]I'm sure not.
[26:10]But anyway, who knows?
[26:12]Thank you both for coming on.
[26:14]Chloe, I feel like we've barely scratched the surface.
[26:16]I would love to hear more about your journey
[26:18]of getting this book out in the world
[26:20]and all the backstory, even more.
[26:22]Congratulations, luck of the draw.
[26:24]My story of the Air War in Europe, Frank Murphy.
[26:27]Really amazing.
[26:28]Congratulations.
[26:30]Thank you.
[26:31]Thank you, David.
[26:31]Thank you.
[26:32]OK, bye, ladies.
[26:34]Bye.
[26:35]Bye.
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[26:58]for providing this fantastic intro and out trim music.