Bozoma Saint John, THE URGENT LIFE: My Story of Love, Loss, and Survival
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[1:03]Bizomo St. John is the author of the urgent life, my story of love, loss, and survival.
[1:09]Bizomo is a Hall of Fame inducted marketing executive, author, entrepreneur, and general
[1:14]badass.
[1:15]Gosh, I should put that in my bio, just being a general badass.
[1:18]Anyway, Buzz got her start in her marketing career at Spike Lee's ad agencies, Spike
[1:23]DDB.
[1:24]She then went on to manage brands in the PepsiCo beverages portfolio before becoming
[1:28]head of music and entertainment marketing at the CPG giant.
[1:31]After that, she led global consumer marketing at Apple Music and iTunes before serving
[1:36]as chief brand officer at Uber.
[1:38]She then took on chief marketing officer role for Endeavor, including WME, IMG, UFC,
[1:43]misuniverse, 160 over 90, et cetera.
[1:46]Most recently, she served as global chief marketing officer at the entertainment behemoths
[1:51]Netflix.
[1:52]She has been awarded so many things.
[1:54]She's in the American Marketing Association Hall of Fame, the American Advertising Federation
[1:59]Hall of Achievement.
[2:00]She's number one, most influential CMO in the world by Forbes.
[2:05]She's been inducted into Billboard's Women in Music Hall of Fame, most powerful women
[2:09]in music for 10 years in a row, executive of the year.
[2:14]This just keeps going on and on.
[2:15]In 2021, Harvard Business School published a multimedia case study on her career titled
[2:20]Leading with Austin Authenticity and Urgency, through which she developed and taught a program
[2:25]at the university aptly named The Anatomy of a Badass.
[2:29]I wish they had had this class at Harvard Business School when I was there and falling
[2:33]asleep during accounting.
[2:35]Why could I not have taken The Anatomy of a Badass?
[2:37]Oh my gosh.
[2:38]Bause has created a public online class.
[2:40]The badass workshop to teach the nuances of achieving success when one feels like an outsider.
[2:45]She's expanded her service outside of the US and has been named an ambassador for the
[2:49]African diaspora and special envoy to the president of Ghana.
[2:53]She's also the philanthropic ambassador to pencils and promise in Ghana and serves on
[2:57]the boards of girls who code vital voices, the Tony Ella Melly Foundation, Soho House,
[3:03]and CFDA.
[3:04]And she's on the board of trustees of her alma mater, Wesleyan.
[3:07]All of that said, she counts her highest achievement as being a mother to her 13-year-old
[3:11]daughter, Lyle.
[3:12]Welcome to momstone out time to read books because I'm going to discuss the urgent life
[3:16]my story of love, loss, and survival.
[3:19]Thank you.
[3:20]I appreciate it.
[3:21]Thank you for having me.
[3:22]You're so welcome.
[3:23]Oh my gosh.
[3:24]Your story was so powerful and the way you wrote about your former husband, the way you
[3:31]wrote about Ben, the way your mom, it was like one thing after another and it was so powerful
[3:36]in moving.
[3:37]And I was just like, oh my gosh, anyway, it was just very, very powerful.
[3:41]Good job.
[3:42]I appreciate that.
[3:43]I appreciate that.
[3:44]But you know, it's like, this is the complexity, you know, of life as a middle-aged woman.
[3:51]It's like, look, we, I don't know, by the time you get to this age, I'm 46 years old.
[3:57]Right?
[3:58]Me too.
[3:59]Me too.
[4:00]We're the same.
[4:01]I look at that.
[4:02]Thank you, 77 baby.
[4:03]I'm 1976.
[4:04]I'll be here.
[4:05]I'll be here.
[4:06]Okay.
[4:07]It's fine.
[4:08]We're all here.
[4:09]We're all here.
[4:10]But you know, it's like, by the time you get to this age, you've heard a lot of shit happened
[4:12]to you.
[4:13]You know what I mean?
[4:14]Things have happened in your life.
[4:15]I wish I knew another 46-year-old person who didn't have some drama at some point.
[4:21]You know?
[4:22]And it's like, we're trying to balance all of these things and be these superwomen
[4:28]that the world has told us that we're supposed to be yet.
[4:32]We're dealing with, yeah, all kind of loss and trauma and, oh, generational shit that
[4:38]we're trying to, um, angle and try not to be like your mom, but kind of be better for
[4:45]your kids.
[4:46]I mean, God, it's just, it's like too much stuff.
[4:48]So I was just writing all of my things, you know, just putting it all on paper, all the
[4:53]things.
[4:54]Should we just, like, give up and go get drinks or something?
[4:56]Yeah.
[4:57]Yeah.
[4:58]Let's just lay everything down and then go look at it.
[5:01]It's like to have a bar back here, which is my first one.
[5:05]I would love it.
[5:07]Oh, my gosh.
[5:09]No, I have also, I mean, we're joking, but, you know, I'm with you.
[5:12]I've had a lot of loss and crazy stuff that's happened and it's like, you tell people
[5:17]when you're our age and they're like, oh, my gosh, really?
[5:19]Like, because you also don't know.
[5:20]We meet each other at these phases of life.
[5:23]It's not like when we go to school and we're like, let me catch you up on everything.
[5:25]You know, like, now you're gonna know me and you're gonna know my family or whatever.
[5:28]So I know I think it comes as a shock, but what choice do we have, but to be really resilient
[5:33]about it and go about our day and, you know, right.
[5:36]Right.
[5:37]Right.
[5:38]And at this point to be honest about it.
[5:39]Right?
[5:40]Yes.
[5:41]I am very thankful to be the age I am, you know, because I don't have to pretend it wasn't
[5:45]like my 20s where I felt like, ooh, I've got to be the hot, cool chick, you know.
[5:50]And then my 30s when I'm like, oh, I've got to be a businesswoman and figure out how
[5:53]to win, you know.
[5:55]And now I'm just like, oh, well, here, my first, okay, I came up with this idea yesterday
[6:01]as I was like dropping my kids at school and like feeling my stomach and I mean, and I was
[6:06]like, there's got to be something stronger to like, keep my stomach where it's just
[6:09]to be true.
[6:10]And so I was like, maybe I need to start a magazine called SAG where it's like all
[6:15]about the things that happen to moms or like that we all moms, but just like the things
[6:20]that happen as we all age and like we don't joke about enough and we all feel shame.
[6:24]And yet it's happening to everybody.
[6:26]So anyway, I think I want to start this like tongue and cheek SAG mag.
[6:29]Oh, my God.
[6:30]I love that.
[6:31]I love SAG magazine because it can be both the physical and the emotional, the mental
[6:36]and the spiritual, you know, all of the things.
[6:38]It's like all of your belief systems.
[6:40]That's our sagging and our twisting and turning and you're like, ooh, do I really believe
[6:44]this thing anymore?
[6:45]I don't think so because too much shit has happened to me for me to still believe that,
[6:49]you know?
[6:50]Yes.
[6:51]And like, yeah.
[6:52]It's like, okay.
[6:53]So what my boobs like, what happened?
[6:54]They were supposed to be sitting up here and now I turn around and they're at my waist,
[6:58]like how did that happen to me?
[7:00]You know what I'm saying?
[7:01]All these and you're right.
[7:02]It's like, look, sometimes I feel like we need to have these honest conversations because
[7:07]look, this is not funny, but we still have to laugh about it, but we compare our scars.
[7:14]We compare our sagging breasts.
[7:15]We compare the traumas and to some degree, there's some humor in it.
[7:21]You know, there is some lightness to it and even in writing the book, you know, it's like,
[7:25]I realize that too, which is that, look, sometimes, well, I'll speak for myself.
[7:30]I put away a lot of memories, right?
[7:33]Stuff them way deep down and say, you know what?
[7:35]That was too painful.
[7:36]I don't want to think about that.
[7:37]I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to like have a hint of it anywhere, you
[7:42]know?
[7:43]And then as I started to write and pull up some of those memories, I was like, oh, man,
[7:48]there were some things that were really good at that time.
[7:52]You know what I mean?
[7:53]Like life as I am experiencing it now, it's like, there are some bad, horrible things.
[8:00]But through it, there is some love and there's some laughter.
[8:03]You know, I've been so, I've been actually so surprised by people who've told me that
[8:07]while they read my book, they cried and then they'd laugh.
[8:11]And then they'd feel of this emotion and that emotion, I was like, but that's actually
[8:15]it, that's life.
[8:16]You know, it's like, even if I'm writing a book about grief, another, when I'm crying
[8:20]for 300 pages, you know what I mean?
[8:23]Because there's just other things that happen in the midst of the grief that can bring
[8:28]you some lightness or bring you some frustration or any number of emotions.
[8:33]And that's so sad.
[8:34]I agree.
[8:35]Make it bad.
[8:36]What are you doing anyway?
[8:37]Come on.
[8:38]I do.
[8:39]Let me get off of here so I can go right the whole thing.
[8:42]My mother has been pitching me columns on text.
[8:44]She's like, I need to have a column in this.
[8:46]I don't even know where to start.
[8:47]And I'm like, how about you start with an essay?
[8:49]But anyway.
[8:50]You know, let's take it to one thing at a time over here.
[8:54]Yes.
[8:55]But, you know, I do think with books like this though, I mean, it's one thing to be able
[9:01]to share.
[9:02]Like there's a book by Catherine Newman, I don't know if you've read it about, it takes
[9:05]place over hospice.
[9:06]It's a novel where she's losing her friend.
[9:08]But it's a comedy.
[9:09]Like, it's a comedy at hospice.
[9:11]And you're like, what?
[9:12]But it's the same type of thing as this memoir where, you know, they're the tragic
[9:17]and then there's the funny.
[9:18]And then it's because it's all life and it's like all it's it's the same time.
[9:23]And then you leave it feeling like almost uplifted because you're like, well, she got
[9:27]through it.
[9:28]She got through that.
[9:29]And you got through this and here you are.
[9:30]Yeah.
[9:31]Yeah.
[9:32]I mean, look, I'm sure you've had, you know, a moment, we all have right a moment in your
[9:36]life where just everything was going wrong.
[9:39]And maybe you started to cry and then in the middle of your crime, you started laughing
[9:42]because you're just like, I could not believe this is happening.
[9:45]Like nobody would believe me if I wrote this.
[9:47]You know what I mean?
[9:48]Like they would think this was the lie.
[9:49]There's no way this much can happen to me.
[9:51]And that's the way I felt.
[9:52]Yes, writing.
[9:53]I was like, you know, nobody's going to believe any of this.
[9:55]But this is so wild.
[9:56]Thank you.
[9:57]And I'm crying while I'm writing and I'm just like,
[10:00]You know, this was really, really crazy.
[10:01]Like, I cannot even believe this, you know?
[10:03]When you got to the part where you then lost your job,
[10:07]and you're like, okay, and this was happening,
[10:09]this was, and then I lost my job.
[10:11]I was like, no, she did it.
[10:12]Come on.
[10:13]Yes, exactly, exactly, I'm not good.
[10:16]How much more can I take seriously?
[10:18]You know, at some point, you really do sit
[10:21]and you're just like, wow, it's hit after hit.
[10:24]You know, and I don't know if you've ever heard this
[10:26]or you believe it, but you know how they say
[10:28]that things happen in threes?
[10:29]Yeah, yes, I have.
[10:31]I've heard it.
[10:32]And sometimes I'm just like,
[10:33]when that number two thing has happened,
[10:34]you're just like, oh, shit, let me look around.
[10:37]Where's that girl coming from?
[10:38]I'm always waiting.
[10:39]I'm preparing for the thing.
[10:41]Yeah, but that's, you know, it's like,
[10:44]the way I'm living now, it's like, you know,
[10:46]I've been asked if I, oh, are you fearless
[10:48]and you've been through so much.
[10:50]It's like, oh, you can comfort all.
[10:51]So you're kidding me?
[10:52]But most of the time, I'm looking around like,
[10:54]oh, geez, like, what is nothing going to fall down now?
[10:57]You know?
[10:58]So it's not fearlessness in which I'm living.
[11:00]I just know that I can survive.
[11:02]Yes.
[11:03]That's why I'm walking around common
[11:05]why I can still laugh.
[11:06]While I'm, you know, wearing yellow and being effervescent
[11:10]because I'm like, I know that should,
[11:13]whatever else is coming, by the way,
[11:15]I've already talked to God about this.
[11:16]I was like, look, you little,
[11:19]I'm the present being you.
[11:21]If you don't get yourself together
[11:23]and provide me some like happiness
[11:26]for the rest of my days.
[11:28]Oh, I'm going to have a thing or two to say,
[11:30]right, get to those pearly engaged.
[11:31]In fact, you know what?
[11:32]I'm not coming in.
[11:33]How about that?
[11:33]I'm not coming in.
[11:34]Yeah, it's going to be my choice
[11:36]whether or not I come there or not.
[11:37]I had this moment.
[11:39]I had the worst turbulence on a flight to LA.
[11:41]Like, so bad that I was like crying,
[11:44]like an ice chug for, it was really bad.
[11:46]I was like, sure, I was going to die.
[11:47]But then I was literally like holding my daughter's hand
[11:49]and I was like, no, no, no.
[11:51]Like, I was about to open this bookstore
[11:52]that I just opened a month ago
[11:53]and I was like, God would not do this to me right now.
[11:56]Like, not right now.
[11:57]This is no, no, no.
[11:58]And I was like, you cannot do this.
[11:59]And I couldn't even open my eyes.
[12:00]And I was like, you cannot do this right now.
[12:05]I write about God in my book a lot,
[12:07]not because I'm overly religious,
[12:09]but because like I really do feel like God is my homie,
[12:11]you know, to some degree.
[12:12]Like, you know, I was raised Christian.
[12:15]I don't go to church currently,
[12:17]but I, you know, still have a lot of conversations.
[12:20]As if like God is in, you know, like a tactical,
[12:25]real living, breathing person.
[12:27]Yeah.
[12:28]Sometimes I get angry at and when I'm like,
[12:30]hey, look, I don't know.
[12:31]I wonder how you think you're doing.
[12:33]Okay.
[12:34]But you're maxing things up for me.
[12:36]Okay.
[12:37]Yeah.
[12:38]You can be wrong.
[12:39]You're a person.
[12:40]Like, this was supposed to be for that person over there.
[12:42]Like, I already gave you this.
[12:44]I'm telling you, okay.
[12:45]But it's like, you know, it was,
[12:47]it was actually, you know, in the seriousness of it,
[12:49]when my husband was a very devout Catholic,
[12:52]you know, he, he was the one who'd get up and go to mass.
[12:55]And I'd be laying in the bed talking about,
[12:57]he brought me a bagel on your way back.
[12:58]Like, you know, please, I just, you know, need some breakfast.
[13:01]But he was so devout and so faithful.
[13:05]And as we prayed for his healing, you know,
[13:09]or his recovery from cancer,
[13:11]I could just could not believe it
[13:12]that God wouldn't ask for that prayer.
[13:14]No.
[13:15]You know, that was just like, okay.
[13:16]Now I can understand if I say some things,
[13:18]you'd be like, folks, remember that night in 1999,
[13:21]you know what I mean?
[13:21]I'd be like, all right, fine, fine.
[13:22]You know what I'm saying, fine.
[13:24]But Peter though, Peter, Peter, you know, it's like,
[13:28]it's no, no, you know, like to me,
[13:30]it wasn't even a coincidence that Saint was in his last name
[13:33]because like he really was that person.
[13:34]I promise you, like it's not just like, you know,
[13:37]color coded and like rose color glasses and stuff.
[13:40]And even though we ended up separating,
[13:43]I, it wasn't like his fault, you know?
[13:47]It wasn't like he was this terrible person.
[13:49]Like I got to get away from this relationship.
[13:51]He might have just been like too, too like vanilla,
[13:55]even in his whiteness, you know what I'm saying?
[13:57]It was like all of those things that caused our friction
[14:00]and things that he was trying to do
[14:02]to like protect his wife and protect the family
[14:04]and save me at some points
[14:06]that really end up driving us apart.
[14:08]You know?
[14:09]So I was just like, God, like seriously?
[14:11]But this is the one you're gonna take.
[14:14]Like, isn't that somebody else you could go get?
[14:16]But how does this happen to him?
[14:18]You know?
[14:19]That kind of stuff has really shaken me in my face.
[14:22]But at the same time, like you said, you know,
[14:25]when you had the turbulence,
[14:27]and turbulence could mean any part of life, right?
[14:29]Not just on the plane,
[14:31]but any turbulence hits my life.
[14:32]And I'm just like, yo, you seriously, you owe me.
[14:35]Like you cannot do this.
[14:36]Like seriously, like relax, relax.
[14:39]Go through it to somebody else deserves this, not me.
[14:41]I was thinking that would be a really good book title.
[14:44]Did you think turbulence?
[14:45]Whoa, right?
[14:47]See, I'm looking at you.
[14:47]You know, this is how I know you're brilliant.
[14:49]Okay, you just out here just casually,
[14:51]just, you know, you got a magazine called that,
[14:54]which you know what I mean?
[14:55]It's got like all these different levels of meaning to it.
[14:58]Now we're about to create a book called turbulence.
[15:00]Damn!
[15:01]You're good.
[15:04]No lack of ideas.
[15:05]Did giant lack of, a lack of time?
[15:07]Exactly, right, right, exactly.
[15:09]To your point with Peter, I mean, you know,
[15:11]we're joking, but you had this moment
[15:13]where it started smelling really bad in the room
[15:15]when he was dying and you were like,
[15:17]what is that smell?
[15:18]And then you realized it was the smell of death.
[15:19]But then you said, well, wait, maybe this is the smell of God.
[15:23]Like, and I thought that was so interesting.
[15:25]Cause I'm like, could you turn all of this around
[15:27]and make it positive?
[15:28]Is there positive to be found in the worst moments?
[15:31]Yes, yes, there is.
[15:33]You know, and that's why like even in this conversation
[15:36]we're laughing so much.
[15:37]I know, you know, you have had barely laughed.
[15:40]No, we're talking about grief, you know what I mean?
[15:42]But that's the thing is that there is lightness
[15:46]in the darkest moments.
[15:47]There really is.
[15:48]And that's not, I'm not trying to be corny and like piffy.
[15:51]You know, it's like, there is lightness.
[15:53]There is, so, you know what?
[15:55]Now I can't remember whether or not it made it in the book.
[15:57]I'm gonna, I'm gonna tell you a story and then,
[15:59]and then cause, you know, the writing process was so wild.
[16:03]And my editor and I, we had a lot of back and forth
[16:06]about what stays and what goes and all that stuff.
[16:08]But when I, my book was started not because I was like,
[16:12]oh, I need to write a memoir.
[16:13]I was actually started because I really hated the phrase
[16:17]by taking one day at a time.
[16:19]I just really hated that so much, right?
[16:21]And so I started to, in my, sort of my reaction
[16:25]to that, my rebellion to that was that I started taking
[16:27]a picture a day.
[16:28]Cause I was like, oh, y'all wanna tell me one day at a time.
[16:31]Look at what my days look like.
[16:32]These are not the kind of days you want, you know?
[16:35]And as I started to take like the really sad photos,
[16:38]sometimes there'd be something that'd be really funny.
[16:40]To me, and I would take a picture of that
[16:42]or something that was inspiring to take a picture of that.
[16:44]So one night, and God bless him, he's now gone,
[16:48]but my father-in-law, George St. John,
[16:51]we were all in the room, okay?
[16:52]My father-in-law, my mother-in-law, me, Peter, right?
[16:55]Peter's in the bed, there's like a couch and like two chairs
[16:58]and we're just all rotating, except for Peter Robinson
[17:00]who stays mobile, right?
[17:01]Or stays immobile, his bed.
[17:03]And one night, I wake up, you know, the early dawn
[17:08]and Peter had his prized possession,
[17:12]which was this football, still in its case,
[17:14]you know, still in the cardboard case
[17:16]that had been signed by Tom Brady,
[17:18]he's a huge patriot fan.
[17:20]And I was working at Pepsi at the time
[17:22]and my colleagues who were working on the sports deal,
[17:25]I negotiated a deal with NFL, like it was, you know,
[17:27]this day, anyway, they reached out to Tom's team,
[17:30]they got him to sign a ball for Peter, okay?
[17:32]So it's like, it's right, that's it.
[17:35]It's sitting in the room, on the windowsill,
[17:37]or Peter can see it constantly.
[17:39]Let me tell you something.
[17:40]I wake up, I would say it's like,
[17:42]just around the crack of dawn.
[17:43]Okay, let's say it's like 6.15.
[17:45]Now I'm looking at this dang on ball
[17:47]and I see some, got tucked in the corner,
[17:50]I'm like, what is that?
[17:51]Could that be like some gift that maybe Tom gave Peter
[17:54]that we didn't even notice recognize?
[17:57]So I'm like gingerly making my way over to the windowsill,
[18:00]quietly, try not to wake anybody up.
[18:02]Girl, why do I see my father-in-law's dentures?
[18:05]I'm just like, what is that?
[18:07]Resting, resting, all the stuff.
[18:11]So I took a picture of that.
[18:12]I still haven't said it to you after this.
[18:14]And it's like, I took a picture of the dang on dentures
[18:17]and that's the kind of thing where it's like,
[18:20]when I tell you I could not contain my life,
[18:23]I could not let everybody woke up
[18:25]because I was, I was hungry, you know?
[18:28]Because it's like, think about this horrible situation, right?
[18:32]Where it's like literally Peter is like,
[18:33]he cannot move, he's in the bed, he's struggling.
[18:37]And he's looking at the football as like his like,
[18:39]you know, let the glory,
[18:42]I've got my elderly in-laws, you know,
[18:45]uncomfortably sitting in these terrible hospital chairs
[18:50]trying to just get some vet some sleep.
[18:53]And then the dentures are in the box
[18:56]and it is funniest shit I've ever seen in my life.
[18:59]Oh my gosh.
[19:00]I think the hardest I've laughed in my entire life
[19:03]was when I was dragged to Disney World
[19:05]against my well pregnant with my fourth kid,
[19:07]with my other three kids.
[19:09]This is right before my divorce.
[19:10]And I'd hurt my knee like being pregnant.
[19:12]And I had to use one of those scooters, you know?
[19:14]Oh, okay.
[19:16]So I am literally like the most miserable
[19:18]I've been in my entire life.
[19:19]And I also have no spatial relations.
[19:21]And so I was trying to like spatial relations ability.
[19:24]I was trying to get out to the monorail
[19:26]and like back up.
[19:28]And everybody was screaming at me.
[19:29]He was the Georgia Classic and I was trying to back this thing up.
[19:33]And I literally like, it's the hardest I've laughed in my life.
[19:35]I just was like sitting there.
[19:36]I couldn't even pretend to drive the thing.
[19:38]I was just like, things are so bad.
[19:41]And then I'm like stuck backwards in the monorail
[19:43]on a scooter.
[19:44]Like, this is like, it doesn't get worse than this.
[19:47]I tell you, you're like the in your misery.
[19:50]Yeah.
[19:51]You know, there's like, there's always something.
[19:53]There's always something.
[19:54]And perhaps, you know, I'm not saying that like,
[19:57]all situations like that,
[19:59]or I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like,
[20:00]or anybody else's life,
[20:01]because I thought we should just laugh at it all the time.
[20:04]But I didn't hear some degree.
[20:05]It's coping, you know, it's a coping and survival mechanism
[20:08]where you just have to look at it and be like,
[20:10]yo, I could not even believe this is happening.
[20:12]What do you like to tell somebody about this?
[20:13]You know, that's now what I think.
[20:15]Like whenever I'm in this situation like that,
[20:17]I'm like, yo, this is gonna make a really good story
[20:19]at some point.
[20:20]I promise you this is gonna make a really good story.
[20:22]You know?
[20:23]And it's almost like the only way to get through it.
[20:25]Did you read Black Widow by Leslie Grace Streeter?
[20:28]Oh my gosh, I want to read it.
[20:29]I haven't read it yet.
[20:30]You have to read it.
[20:31]It's a really funny subtitle to something like a journey
[20:35]for people who hate using the word journey
[20:37]or something like that.
[20:38]Anyway, she has like a really funny scene
[20:40]at the morgue with her sister
[20:41]where they're like hysterically laughing.
[20:43]Anyway, you would write.
[20:44]It's like, yeah.
[20:45]And I don't mean to make us seem like cool.
[20:47]Obviously, we both, and I guess just from your book,
[20:50]we both feel deeply and like cry and things are cool.
[20:53]Oh, absolutely.
[20:55]But anyway, I feel like this is the thing that goes to.
[20:59]But that's the connection point.
[21:01]Yeah, no matter what it is.
[21:03]Yeah.
[21:04]It's short.
[21:05]Okay, I know this is sort of a shorter podcast.
[21:08]I think it's not necessarily.
[21:09]I know, I feel like I could literally sit and talk to you.
[21:11]We have to like get the actual drinks next time.
[21:14]I'm for real.
[21:15]For real.
[21:16]For real.
[21:17]It'll start with my picture of the dentures
[21:19]that way you know I'm admitted to this relationship
[21:21]and then we'll follow up with the drinks.
[21:23]Perfect.
[21:24]Yes, I can't wait.
[21:25]Getting down.
[21:27]Thank you so much for going on.
[21:28]I want you to read books.
[21:30]Thank you for sharing.
[21:31]Honestly, it was so great and beautiful.
[21:34]And you know, it was really the way you told the story
[21:36]was fabulous.
[21:37]And I'm sorry for all the things that happened to you.
[21:39]But thank you.
[21:40]You definitely made it into a fabulous book
[21:42]or what that's worth.
[21:44]I know, right.
[21:45]Well, I appreciate it.
[21:46]And I also want to say I love your podcast.
[21:48]I think it's so brilliant.
[21:49]The name alone makes me feel like, oh my God.
[21:52]Yes, these are my people.
[21:54]This is my tribe.
[21:55]But I really appreciate it.
[21:56]And thank you for the time and the recognition.
[21:59]Thank you.
[21:59]Thank you.
[22:00]I really appreciate it.
[22:01]OK.
[22:01]So look up for the picture.
[22:03]I'm reading.
[22:04]I'm ready.
[22:04]OK.
[22:05]OK.
[22:05]Bye.
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