Taylor Koekkoek, THRILLVILLE, USA: Stories
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[1:03]This is a special episode with two authors.
[1:07]I am interviewing Taylor Kokek about his collection of short stories called Thrillville
[1:12]USA, which by the way, I saw a huge display of in the Hudson News in Newark Airport.
[1:17]And I forgot to tell him.
[1:18]So now he knows if he's listening to this.
[1:20]His wife is Jocelyn Take-Aks.
[1:23]And Jocelyn's book, Pierce Oysters, will be coming out in 2024 from Zippy Books.
[1:28]We acquired her book, which is absolutely beautiful.
[1:31]It's being edited by Jordan Blumetti.
[1:33]And we just all could not be more excited about Jocelyn and her novel.
[1:37]And so when I realized that her husband Taylor had a collection of short stories, I wanted
[1:43]to interview him, of course.
[1:45]And so I interviewed them together.
[1:46]So this is an introduction to Jocelyn and a little preview of Pierce Oysters and also a discussion
[1:52]about Taylor's collection of short stories, which have gotten a lot of many of attention.
[1:57]This is official bio.
[1:59]Taylor Kokek's debut short story collection Thrillville USA was released in March of 2023 by Simon
[2:04]and Schuster.
[2:05]His stories have appeared in the Paris Review, plow shares, glimmer train, and elsewhere.
[2:09]He lives in Portland, Oregon with his wife, the novelist Jocelyn Take-Aks.
[2:14]Welcome, Taylor.
[2:15]Thank you so much for coming.
[2:16]On mom's don't have time to read books to discuss the realville USA stories.
[2:20]Thanks for being here.
[2:21]It's my pleasure.
[2:23]So Taylor, I have to say I heard about you through your wife who's sitting next to you,
[2:27]Jocelyn, whose book is you all know we're publishing with Zippy Books Pierce Oysters.
[2:32]So exciting.
[2:33]So it's really nice to be doing a double whammy episode today.
[2:37]Thank you both for coming.
[2:38]It's such a pleasure to be here.
[2:40]Yeah, it's very fun to be here together, too.
[2:42]Yay.
[2:43]And soon we'll do Jocelyn's, like before you know it.
[2:46]And we'll be like, remember when we do that other one and it felt like a long time.
[2:49]I like that way.
[2:51]And here we go.
[2:52]I get to come onto that one, too, right?
[2:54]Right.
[2:55]Yeah.
[2:56]Totally.
[2:57]We'll just keep this going.
[2:58]And then you'll write your next book.
[2:59]And, you know, we'll just flip-flop over.
[3:00]Like, you know, Taylor did a reading at Powell's and I got to ask him questions afterwards
[3:04]and they kindly said that we could do a couple show next time it comes out.
[3:11]So now it's the only way we're doing it.
[3:13]Yeah.
[3:14]Seriously, you should just interview.
[3:15]I could just watch.
[3:16]This is great.
[3:17]We'll both interview Taylor.
[3:18]This is fun.
[3:19]Okay.
[3:20]So Taylor.
[3:21]You know what I'm going to tell you about your short story collection, you're such a
[3:25]good writer.
[3:26]These stories are great, dark, great, like really emotional and your writing is so awesome.
[3:35]Like, so vibrant and just like at times creepy at times like, you know, it just made
[3:42]me feel so much, which is what good writing does.
[3:45]Oh, thanks for that, C.B.
[3:47]Well, yeah.
[3:48]Until USA, it's a short story collection.
[3:51]Most of the stories happen in Oregon, or at least pretty close to the neighborhood.
[3:55]The title thrill of USA, actually, there used to be a dangerous ramshackle theme park,
[4:00]little amusement park off of I-5 in Oregon, which was called thrill of USA where the
[4:04]particular story came from, all the way invented everything else that you'll see in there.
[4:10]What else should I say about it?
[4:11]Are the stories connected?
[4:13]Oh, that's a good question.
[4:15]A little bit.
[4:16]There's a few characters who appear in one story and reemerge elsewhere.
[4:20]There's some locations that might be revisited twice or more.
[4:24]But mostly, I think the strongest connection is just that they all have been in the same
[4:29]neighborhood more or less.
[4:30]I use that figuratively across Oregon, a little Seattle, but Pacific Northwest.
[4:36]Yeah.
[4:37]I mean, the collections book ended too with the same protagonist.
[4:43]So main character in Thrillville starts us and ends us.
[4:49]Which is very clever.
[4:50]Love that.
[4:51]I particularly love the drowned woman story.
[4:55]There was a passage, so in the drowned woman, there's a body-found floating, and there's
[5:01]sort of vagrant man on the sidelines with his friend and a sidelines.
[5:04]The shore.
[5:05]I'm going to do any good sporting events.
[5:08]On the shore, and when they realize it's a woman and they see the car seat, there's a
[5:12]line where they're like, wait, moms don't kill them, like moms would never do that.
[5:17]And the other character is like, well, moms can do that.
[5:22]So I don't know.
[5:23]I related to that, and then the man with his son coming, and it's so the way you describe
[5:29]the setting.
[5:30]I literally felt like I was sitting on the banks of that lake with the guy's smelly foot
[5:35]and God knows what else and wanting to get out of there.
[5:41]For example, tell me about that story.
[5:42]When did you come up with that?
[5:45]How did you think of these tales?
[5:48]Like, come up with the people and just tell me the whole backstory.
[5:52]Well, Zimi, that one is autobiographical, purely, not really.
[5:55]No, it's not autobiographical.
[5:57]No, actually, well, and now I see that is the creepiest story in the book.
[6:03]That's my mom's least favorite story.
[6:05]Oh, really?
[6:06]Okay.
[6:07]That story is also actually one of the older stories in the book.
[6:10]I wrote that when we were back in, well, I wasn't Baltimore.
[6:14]You'd since moved on to LA, but really, I think the only, the only place that I found
[6:21]that story in real life, there's no body in the reservoir, but the old abandoned turbine
[6:26]shack where these two men are shacked up for a while is a place in Oregon called White
[6:31]River Falls that I used to go to as a kid.
[6:33]And it's just this beautiful ruined old turbine shack for a dam that's been decommissioned.
[6:39]Actually, you and I went there once when we're driving to bed.
[6:42]And I thought about it ever since I was a kid and I thought it was such a pretty place.
[6:45]But then I go on to make sort of a fairly grotesque story with a place that I found so pretty
[6:51]when I was a child.
[6:52]No, I caught grotesque in being a little hard on it.
[6:56]I mean, yeah, the book generally, some of that grotesque, but that one's story is.
[7:02]Well, particularly, you know, having the man, this is named Sam, I'm really bad in
[7:08]Sam, it's like cuddling up with the dead body at the end, like, I'll, I mean, whatever.
[7:15]But I don't know, I really am like, okay, like where's, where's it coming from?
[7:22]Is it, or do you think about like, I mean, I know it's hard to even answer questions
[7:25]about fiction writing because it all comes from the subconscious some way shape or form
[7:29]and then just like, spews out and you're like, I don't know.
[7:32]But if you had any idea where things like that come from or you know, I feel like you're
[7:37]capturing sort of like the underbelly, like the, the, the seediness and like the desperation
[7:43]almost of characters in hard places.
[7:46]Yeah.
[7:47]And I think that's something that happens throughout the book, although there are other
[7:51]stories that I might steal more anecdotes from my personal life.
[7:56]This story, the drowned woman is the furthest removed from autobiography, obviously.
[8:03]But I think all of the stories have characters painted in, in desperate situations.
[8:08]And some of those, you know, like a dirt nap, there's a stolen van.
[8:13]That one actually happened to us in real life.
[8:15]We did.
[8:16]Right.
[8:17]Well, okay.
[8:18]I should reface in the story, the character hands the van over in a bundling way to a stranger
[8:25]who's going to help park it and then he drives off in a real life.
[8:28]We forgot to put a steering club on to a van that did vanish the next morning.
[8:33]But yeah, because this man had been stolen before, you could use anything to start it.
[8:41]You didn't need to use it was quite easy to steal and the steering club was a big oversight.
[8:47]Right.
[8:48]But my roommate at the time was very understanding.
[8:53]She was away on a vacation and came back to no man.
[8:56]She was very, very nice.
[8:58]And so, yeah, there's some stories where it's easier for me to see where the desperate
[9:02]situations come from because I have stolen anecdotes from my lives or my family's lives
[9:07]and my friends lives and repurposed them heavily.
[9:09]It's real build the same way, but are the titular story.
[9:13]But for the drowned woman, I don't remember where that business came from.
[9:18]It was so long ago.
[9:19]Well, we can talk about thrillville too.
[9:22]I mean, the end of the thrillville story, I mean, is it, is it giving spoilers when you
[9:26]you talk about the end of a story?
[9:28]Do we not do that?
[9:29]I don't know.
[9:30]You know, I think you're a story collection, whether you're not really hanging on a moment
[9:34]to moment for the plot.
[9:35]It doesn't spoil the book.
[9:36]You know, it's like, yeah, it happens in a chapter.
[9:39]I think we're sure.
[9:40]You think we're okay.
[9:41]Well, anyway, the drug use part that happens at the end with, you know, opening up the patches
[9:46]and, you know, the sort of mad binge of drugs that ends up not in a good way.
[9:53]Like, that also speaks to this attempt to escape or something.
[9:59]So I guess I'm wondering.
[10:00]during where all of this is coming.
[10:02]Have you analyzed yourself?
[10:03]Let's just go there.
[10:05]Where is all this coming from you?
[10:07]What, why do you like to write this type of story
[10:10]about this type of thing?
[10:11]Do you have any idea?
[10:12]And if not, we'll just move on.
[10:13]And Jocelyn, weigh in if you'd like to be
[10:15]in our upstairs psychologist.
[10:17]Yeah, you're like the closest thing I got to a therapist.
[10:21]What?
[10:22]I mean, Taylor's, how can I say this in?
[10:26]Taylor's, uh, has just always been,
[10:30]he has a dark sense of humor.
[10:32]He, he delights in seeing the best in people,
[10:37]which I mean, I think Taylor's writing is like a distillation
[10:42]of who he is and his best.
[10:45]He's so funny.
[10:46]He's so insightful.
[10:48]And he's so generous in his like perceptions of people,
[10:52]because he writes about people who are in hard spots
[10:56]in their lives.
[10:56]You know, they're struggling with drug addiction,
[10:59]they're struggling with housing,
[11:01]they're in failing relationships,
[11:02]they're trying to sell their book.
[11:04]You know, and he looks at people who are behaving badly
[11:07]and he just is like clear.
[11:10]He's honest about what's really happening with them.
[11:14]But, you know, I think he never turned against his characters
[11:19]because they're portrayed with so much generosity.
[11:23]I think.
[11:25]Yeah, I second that.
[11:27]Yeah, and I'm wondering, how does that,
[11:32]I mean, I think that is the instinct
[11:34]and that's where the stories come from.
[11:37]Of trying to see a little generosity
[11:40]into people's weaker moments is, I think it's just
[11:43]what affects me about storytelling.
[11:45]Those are the stories that move me
[11:46]and what I'm drawn to.
[11:48]Yeah, tell me about starting writing
[11:51]and why short stories and when you were drawn to those
[11:54]in general and like your whole life up till now.
[11:57]Where'd you come from?
[11:58]Where'd you go?
[11:59]Like, you're from Oregon, right?
[12:00]We're in Oregon, actually.
[12:02]And now we live about maybe a mile from my childhood,
[12:06]help my parents have since moved, moved out of it.
[12:09]But we ended up surprisingly close
[12:11]to where I started, started the hospital
[12:14]where I was born STEM history.
[12:15]But then eventually I got, I went to a creative writing
[12:20]MFA program in Baltimore, Johns Hopkins University
[12:23]which is where Johnson and I met
[12:25]although we didn't start dating there at the time.
[12:27]She was introduced to me as one of my good friends,
[12:30]girlfriends actually.
[12:30]Oh.
[12:32]But a lot of time comes in between nothing's solution.
[12:37]Me and this good friend are still good friends.
[12:41]But so that's an important through line though.
[12:43]That's where that story starts.
[12:44]Started writing short fiction, well, at the MFA
[12:48]and a little bit towards the end of college.
[12:51]In short stories, I did those over novels
[12:53]because they're easier now I have to do the novel too.
[12:56]But Johnson's gonna tell me how to do that one.
[12:59]If she obviously is a novelist,
[13:02]although she writes in published short stories too,
[13:04]they're brilliant.
[13:05]And then a graduated MFA wandered around
[13:08]with a whole lot of direction,
[13:09]lived in central Oregon for a while
[13:12]with my twin brother who was a,
[13:14]well, he was a flight instructor at the time,
[13:16]sort of experimented with writing,
[13:19]there had my share of failures.
[13:21]Then I guess Johnson and I reconvened
[13:24]at a writer's conference in Tampa.
[13:27]And then we just hit it off
[13:28]and we started long distance dating.
[13:30]But wait, had not that this is any of my business.
[13:32]Had Johnson broken up with the boyfriend?
[13:34]Oh, yeah, long ago, long ago.
[13:36]In fact, we had been a boyfriend in between that one already.
[13:38]So it was old news.
[13:40]So years went by.
[13:42]Years went by.
[13:42]And we ran into each other at this conference
[13:45]and it just made sense.
[13:47]And so we embarked on this long distance relationship
[13:51]without a plan for how it would work out
[13:53]and we dated long distance for a year and a half.
[13:56]And I think us being both fiction writers
[14:02]was really why our relationship worked out.
[14:05]I think it was kind of a part of our courtship actually.
[14:09]Yeah, we were trading writing back and forth,
[14:11]shooting each other pictures of, you know,
[14:14]passages we were reading.
[14:15]Oh, yeah.
[14:17]Did that for quite a while?
[14:18]So wait, what are some of the books
[14:21]that you excerpted for each other?
[14:22]Do you remember where they poems or stories or what?
[14:25]Do I get a few poems from you?
[14:27]But it was mostly fiction.
[14:28]I remember there's a passage towards getting towards
[14:33]the end of George Saunders's Lincoln in the Bardale.
[14:36]There's just this really stunning beauty of the passage
[14:39]that I think I said, probably sent back
[14:41]before the couple of times just a...
[14:43]Right.
[14:44]He would take pictures of, you know,
[14:46]his book in his hands with, like, a pencil mark
[14:50]by the beginning of where I should read
[14:52]and then the end of where I should read it.
[14:54]Oh, you think, you know, three images,
[14:58]which is really, it's a really nice text to receive at night.
[15:01]You know, do you remember any that you said me?
[15:04]Oh, I was probably reading the movie gallery
[15:07]at the time and Richard Ford's stories,
[15:10]Rock Springs, and Taylor turned me on
[15:14]to Marilyn Robinson's work.
[15:17]Yeah, I think, like, also dating another writer,
[15:22]it's like, we become closer to one another in sensibilities.
[15:27]It's like, cause we're kind of this feedback
[15:29]from all the time of what we're reading
[15:32]and what we like about what we're reading.
[15:33]We're talking about that all the time.
[15:35]We're slowly the couple of the same person that I didn't know.
[15:39]I just earlier today in a regain delivery about hedge,
[15:41]which is coming out this month from Dave Vux,
[15:44]and she's also married to a writer.
[15:45]Have you talked to her about this?
[15:47]Anyway, you should all have, like, a double date or something.
[15:49]She was saying she offered recently
[15:51]to put him on retainer because she was always asking him
[15:54]to read stuff and edit stuff and all of that.
[15:57]Oh, yeah.
[15:58]Johnson's always been my first reader and editor.
[16:02]She's had a big hand in my work.
[16:04]My book would look really different
[16:05]if I worked with Jocelyn.
[16:07]Yeah, I would be absolutely bankrupt if I had to pay him.
[16:11]The amount of hours you spend.
[16:13]Oh, no, I know.
[16:14]Well, I guess maybe it all, maybe it cancels out.
[16:17]James and Baltimore, she also went to Hopkins, so we'll-
[16:21]Yes, she did.
[16:22]We'll meet her probably in the fall.
[16:24]Cool. Yeah.
[16:26]We're going, I hope, to give a reading if we're still invited.
[16:30]Or- Oh, to Hopkins?
[16:31]Yeah. Oh, yeah, they'll have us.
[16:32]That's fun.
[16:33]What's your book coming out?
[16:36]Well, Zippy, isn't it June?
[16:39]Yeah, June.
[16:40]Yeah, June, the first Tuesday in June, whenever that is.
[16:44]My book may be ordered a copy, hasn't arrived yet,
[16:48]but probably June 4th.
[16:51]Yeah, June 4th, 2024.
[16:53]6-4-2-4, that sounds good.
[16:55]Does it?
[16:56]Plug for James, but-
[16:57]Everyone should read Hajj.
[16:58]Yeah, it's a good title.
[17:01]Don't worry, talking about, oh, right or the life.
[17:03]How did we get here?
[17:04]I feel like we covered our-
[17:05]We covered that.
[17:06]We covered our relationship.
[17:08]Yeah, I guess, rather than life sort of blurs
[17:11]into the romantic life for us, similar story.
[17:14]Mm-hmm.
[17:15]Yeah, right or statement.
[17:16]So you were talking about your beautiful,
[17:18]epistolary courtship,
[17:20]which actually made me remember that
[17:22]at the very beginning, Kyle used to send me songs.
[17:24]And now I'm like, I don't think he sent me a song since,
[17:28]like, 2018 or something, at an-
[17:31]I'm like, whatever, I'm into the songs.
[17:33]I'm gonna ask you after this.
[17:34]You know, how you did me a lot of songs, too.
[17:37]Although in the courtship, it's different.
[17:39]You're not, you don't spend as much time with each other.
[17:41]There's more time than that.
[17:42]Yeah, that's true.
[17:42]That's true.
[17:43]That's true.
[17:44]Yeah, that's true.
[17:45]Now you just listen to music together, maybe.
[17:47]I'm kind of curious to be what songs Kyle sent.
[17:51]Mm-hmm.
[17:52]He sent me this one.
[17:54]Well, he sent me a song called,
[17:58]The Famous Flower of Manhattan by the Avid Brothers.
[18:01]Oh, I love that song.
[18:03]Yes.
[18:03]And that's, like, basically how we got together,
[18:06]but story for another time.
[18:08]But I was like, oh my God.
[18:10]Because it's about this flower that you leave
[18:12]and you love her, but you have to leave her
[18:14]to like grow and be her beat.
[18:16]Why am I even talking about this on your podcast?
[18:17]But anyway, that was the first song.
[18:19]And I like, he sent it to me
[18:20]and I pulled over on the side of the road.
[18:21]I cried for like 10 minutes.
[18:23]I remember that story since it's in book ends.
[18:26]Oh, that's right.
[18:30]Oh my gosh, now I'm like repeating myself
[18:33]from my book, but thank you for reading for this.
[18:35]And he also sent me this great song, Let's Be Still.
[18:38]Do you know what I'm saying?
[18:40]That's, it's probably not what it's called.
[18:41]Let's be still.
[18:42]Anyway, it's really calming.
[18:44]And I remember I was going through like,
[18:48]all sorts of stuff soon after.
[18:50]And whenever I was really stressed,
[18:52]I remember like playing it even in like a taxi
[18:54]before I went into these like nerve-wracking meetings.
[18:57]And I would just like play this song, Let's Be Still.
[18:59]And then I felt much better going in.
[19:02]I should really pull that song up right about now.
[19:05]Anyway, it seems to have been lost.
[19:08]Anyway, so what are you?
[19:10]So are you working on a novel, Taylor?
[19:14]What are you all working?
[19:15]I am, I mean, depending on the day
[19:17]it's a generous word for it.
[19:18]I'm beating my head on the keyboard for a novel.
[19:21]It'll come soon.
[19:22]I'm confident that something will shake loose,
[19:24]but this is how my writing process usually goes.
[19:27]I have a lot of false starts, abandoned efforts,
[19:31]just looking for that right angle approach
[19:34]that makes it feel,
[19:36]oh, you know, a story is possible here.
[19:39]So I'm, I'm circling it.
[19:41]I'm writing pages, I'm throwing them out.
[19:44]I'll necessarily, I told myself.
[19:46]How did that happen?
[19:47]Yeah, I think this book,
[19:49]I won't say too much because, you know,
[19:51]superstitious and I don't have too much on the page yet.
[19:55]But I think what we're trying to work in one more time.
[19:57]And then I think I should start writing about somewhere else.
[20:00]Probably.
[20:01]Okay.
[20:02]Although, you know, some authors really have their places.
[20:05]That's their thing.
[20:06]It's true.
[20:07]Yeah.
[20:08]You notice that you're like the Joan, Joan Diddy, and a Oregon.
[20:12]That's why you'd be so subscribed most of the time.
[20:17]I just used to say that it's just so hard to see Taylor throw away work because he is writing all of the time.
[20:28]And, you know, his rough drafts are so great, but he can't make someone else believe in a start of a story.
[20:39]Interesting.
[20:40]As a as a writer of partner, that is hard to watch.
[20:45]It would be a fun experiment if you just took all of his discarded work and sort of threaded it into something and like then you gave it back to him later.
[20:52]You know, it's like, you could go right your next novel.
[20:55]I would love to hitch my wagon to that.
[20:58]Oh, no, no.
[21:01]Jocelyn, have you worked on your your pitch for fierce oysters yet?
[21:05]What it's about.
[21:06]I haven't had to do this out loud in a while.
[21:08]I'm actually working on finishing the developmental edit for Jordan this week.
[21:15]So it's a big week.
[21:18]So Pierce oysters is a family drama that takes place in 2010 over the course of the BP oil spill.
[21:28]And it follows a family that runs a small oyster business that has been around for 90 years.
[21:36]And it traces their, their family tensions as they have to figure out how to react as the oil is encroaching on their oyster farm.
[21:48]Amazing.
[21:49]That was a great pit.
[21:50]Great pit, isn't it?
[21:51]It was a great pit.
[21:52]At the point, it doesn't give away too much sense of urgency, right?
[21:56]Like the encroaching, you know, that's good.
[21:59]It leaves out how beautiful and brilliant it is, though, too.
[22:02]Yes.
[22:03]We can workshop this later to be with me.
[22:05]I know.
[22:06]I thought that was great.
[22:07]I really thought that was great.
[22:09]You might add and the community.
[22:11]I feel like the community is also.
[22:13]That's true.
[22:14]Trying to figure out how to handle it.
[22:15]Maybe I mentioned that we get to go to New Orleans also from the bayou to New Orleans and back.
[22:21]But there's it runs the gamut of a lot of other.
[22:25]Pressing issues we got.
[22:28]There's a lot.
[22:29]There's a lot in there.
[22:30]You packed it all in.
[22:31]It's a serious beautiful novel.
[22:36]It is.
[22:37]It's exciting.
[22:39]It's so exciting.
[22:40]Well, thank you to the two of you.
[22:43]Next time I'll bring Kyle.
[22:45]People who can hang on zoom, but congratulations on your first.
[22:50]Well, as the first as a couple of this first, right?
[22:57]Yeah, this is the first couple of book.
[23:00]The next one's not next year for the couple books.
[23:03]First one.
[23:04]Yeah, I got to clear the bookshelf in the house.
[23:06]So there you go.
[23:07]Thrillville, USA.
[23:08]Congratulations.
[23:09]And keep working your magic.
[23:11]Oh, thank you, Zibi.
[23:13]Thanks so much for having me.
[23:15]Yeah.
[23:16]That was really fun.
[23:17]All right, guys.
[23:18]Have a great day.
[23:19]You too.
[23:20]Okay.
[23:21]Bye-bye.
[23:22]Thanks for listening to this episode of Moms.
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