Jamie Lee Curtis, JUST ONE MORE SLEEP: All Good Things Come to Those Who Wait . . . and Wait . . . and Wait
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[1:03]Jamie Lee Curtis is back on the podcast she was on once before.
[1:08]And now here she is again, it's always such a joy to talk to her because, you know, everybody
[1:12]loves Jamie Lee Curtis, especially me, and I've idolized for so long and she's so cool.
[1:18]Anyway, Jamie Lee Curtis is the author of Just One More Sleep, All Good Things Come
[1:22]to Those Who Wait and Wait and Wait.
[1:25]She is an author, actor, activist, sister, friend, wife, and mother.
[1:31]Jamie Lee Curtis is the New York Times best-selling author of numerous picture books, including
[1:35]Tell Me Again About the Night I Was Born.
[1:37]Today I feel silly, I'm going to like me and my brave year of firsts.
[1:41]You can follow her on Instagram at Jamie Lee Curtis.
[1:43]She's also the founder of My Hand in Yours.
[1:46]Good morning.
[1:47]Thanks for coming back on Mom's Don't Have Time to Read Fux, Delighted to Talk to You Again.
[1:51]I am one of you, although my children are now grown, so in fact, I'm cheating a bit
[1:59]because maybe we'll do a sister podcast called Grandma's who have, although I don't
[2:04]have grandchildren, but Grandma's who have time to read books.
[2:09]Amazing.
[2:10]I think that's actually who's listening to this podcast.
[2:13]Okay.
[2:14]I mean, but you could do it.
[2:16]Maybe taking a walk with their walking sticks.
[2:20]I'm happy.
[2:21]If you want to do a spin-off, let's do it.
[2:22]I'm totally happy about that.
[2:24]Okay.
[2:25]Good morning.
[2:26]Good afternoon or day.
[2:27]Yes.
[2:28]Whatever it even is.
[2:30]A year it is.
[2:31]Hello.
[2:32]Hello.
[2:33]It's so ironic to be doing this conversation with you today because my son's birthday is
[2:39]tomorrow.
[2:40]He's turning nine.
[2:41]It's been, you know, it's like a national holiday around here.
[2:43]We've been counting down for months and months and months and literally, he's like, I just
[2:48]have to go to bed one more time and I'm like, it is literally what I'm talking about
[2:52]this morning.
[2:53]So there you go.
[2:54]One more sleep.
[2:55]And by the way, I like the national holiday.
[2:58]You know, we forget how big holidays and celebrations are for children.
[3:05]The quotidian daily grind, which moms totally can understand.
[3:12]Children also have the daily grind.
[3:15]You know, he looked at them like they don't have any responsibilities for the daily grind.
[3:19]The truth is being alive and being held responsible for the things that are part of your
[3:28]life each day is a grind, a school is a grind everybody at school is not, I know we drop
[3:36]them off and we're like, yes, truth is it's a grind, it's a grind for them.
[3:42]They have to really focus.
[3:43]It's a very complicated world.
[3:46]And so celebrations, those moments be it your birthday, which is of course, the sort
[3:54]of universal celebration is everybody has birthday, but all of the different celebrations
[4:00]if it's a national holiday or if it's a religious holiday, there's still something that
[4:06]kids really, really, really, really look forward to and the tension of time is something
[4:15]we as adults deal with all the time, I mean, just being a human mom and trying to manage
[4:24]time management.
[4:26]But for children, time, particularly young young children, time is a morphist.
[4:32]They don't really under, it's not concrete, it isn't something they haven't learned
[4:37]clocked yet.
[4:38]They don't, that's why one more sleep is such a perfect or three more sleeps.
[4:45]It's a really beautiful way of compartmentalizing, containing time, very manageable way for
[4:53]children.
[4:54]So true.
[4:55]And it's funny, it's like how dogs have no sense of time, you know how like you can go
[4:58]out and then you come back and for them, you could have been gone for two days or it could
[5:02]have been like 20 minutes, but they're just as excited to see you.
[5:06]Yes.
[5:08]I worked with a dog trainer who said, don't make a big deal about coming home, like
[5:15]if you're away, when you walk back in the house, walk, like if you're away for on a trip
[5:21]for like two weeks or three weeks, in my case, I go away from months sometimes.
[5:25]When you come back home, I was tall, although I don't think I ever did it.
[5:32]But I was told, walk in the door as if you just walked out to get the mail and they
[5:37]want to greet them the way you would greet them the way you would if you just got the
[5:42]mail.
[5:43]No, no.
[5:44]It's hard.
[5:45]And at one time, I went down to the basement to get like our big suitcases that we needed
[5:49]for a trip and came back up and our dog thought we had been gone, you know, like she was
[5:54]so excited.
[5:55]I'm like, it's literally it's been like one minute.
[5:56]I went to the basement of this building.
[5:57]But anyway, but the same thing, concepts of time for dogs or for small children or even
[6:02]not as small children to have it be punctuated by something so different where you get
[6:08]a day.
[6:09]I mean, birthdays aren't necessarily, and I know the book is not just birthdays.
[6:12]It's all these things to celebrate and the wonderful ways where an average day becomes
[6:18]a party, like so fun, like that's so great that we do that.
[6:22]We don't have to have holidays like this must be so exciting for, you know, we take it
[6:27]for granted.
[6:28]We do take it for granted and I got a very early review like in October for a book being
[6:34]published in January from publishers weekly who called it a rockest celebration of celebration.
[6:41]And I just thought, well, there we're done.
[6:43]Yes.
[6:44]I called the publishers.
[6:45]I was like, guys, we are done and that's it.
[6:50]If we can put that across banners across the world, a rockest celebration of celebration,
[6:58]we're done because it's exactly what it is.
[7:01]It's not just the day.
[7:03]It's the whole ways that day becomes a celebration.
[7:08]And I don't know if you know how this was born this book.
[7:11]Tell me.
[7:12]Tell me how it was born.
[7:14]And my neighbor Betty lives right next door, who is now seven, but she was five.
[7:22]And you know, we were still this was December of 2020.
[7:27]So at this point now the pandemic had been nine months.
[7:31]We had all gotten very used to masking and social distancing and staying very far away.
[7:39]And I was out getting the mail and Betty and her mom were taking a walk and it was
[7:45]Christmas Eve.
[7:48]And from 10 feet away, I saw her and went, hey, Betty, aren't you excited, sent us
[7:56]on his way?
[7:58]And she looked at me and she got very stern and she put her finger up and she said, no,
[8:05]Jamie, one more sleep, then Santa.
[8:10]And in that second, I realized, oh, right.
[8:14]The concept that Santa is in the air, like the concept of Christmas Eve and it's on his
[8:22]way, useless for a small child.
[8:25]What she wanted was the concrete fact.
[8:28]The fact was I'd just sleep one more time, then I get to see what Santa brought.
[8:35]And like the book was born in that moment.
[8:38]Like in that second, the way all of my books have been born, it was the moment of conception,
[8:44]the book kind of presented itself, you know, almost immediately to me as the books do.
[8:51]And I actually took a picture with Betty.
[8:56]We for like one second, like we pulled our mask them because I have a mirror that's for
[9:01]traffic, you know, for when you're pulling out of a driveway.
[9:05]And I'm going to send it to the publishers because that picture was the moment that
[9:12]the book was born.
[9:13]Well, I think we stood next to each other for like one second outside.
[9:19]I won't touch.
[9:20]But well, no, the picture, you know, it just was that was this moment of conception.
[9:26]Wow.
[9:27]That's amazing.
[9:29]Well, I love how you not only that you pick so many holidays and celebrations, particularly
[9:35]Passover and Hanukkah and you have a beautiful Seder table and you have that it's amazing,
[9:43]especially given everything going on in the world right now to have that be so joyous and
[9:47]the whole book to be about joy when things feel so dire.
[9:50]Yes.
[9:51]And you know, obviously there are many religious holidays that are celebrations all over
[9:58]the world all over.
[10:00]the different religions that people follow.
[10:03]I tried to incorporate it as many as I could.
[10:08]The family is obviously a mixed-race family.
[10:12]There are adopted family members.
[10:15]So we celebrate Chinese New Year.
[10:18]We celebrate Kwanzaa.
[10:20]It's celebrate Christmas.
[10:21]We celebrate Hanukkah.
[10:23]I obviously would have liked to have been able
[10:25]to celebrate Ramadan.
[10:27]And the Hindu religion celebrations.
[10:31]And so many others.
[10:33]But of course, I couldn't figure out a way to do all of that.
[10:36]But I was, you know, tonight is the, well, whenever this is,
[10:42]when we are recording this together,
[10:45]it is the first night of Hanukkah.
[10:47]And, you know, there's a beautiful, beautiful page,
[10:52]the illustrations by Laura Cornell, my partner.
[10:57]So many years.
[10:59]So colorful and joyful.
[11:01]And the Hanukkah pages just one more sleep till times joyful
[11:06]and bright Hanukkah candles for eight nights to light.
[11:10]One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight.
[11:13]We think of our family as we celebrate.
[11:16]And, you know, that's what Hollywood religious holidays are
[11:20]is a way to connect your present life
[11:24]and all its beautiful aspects and challenges
[11:28]as every family has them.
[11:31]There's not been a family through history
[11:33]that hasn't gone through good times and bad
[11:36]and that we mark holidays and celebrations
[11:41]as a touchstone, as a watermark of another year.
[11:45]We've lost people in those years.
[11:48]We hold those people in our minds.
[11:51]We bring new people into our family circle,
[11:55]their births and weddings,
[11:57]so that the other beautiful part of holidays for children
[12:01]is it is a family time.
[12:05]That's the beautiful.
[12:06]And you're not alone usually on a holiday.
[12:09]And the holidays filled with other people.
[12:12]And this book is Chaka Block, filled with people.
[12:17]And again, a beautiful, beautiful,
[12:20]melange of human beings coming together
[12:24]to experience life and the joy of celebration.
[12:30]And really the joy of connection.
[12:32]I mean, it's at the heart of everything.
[12:34]It's what makes so many things meaningful.
[12:36]And yet it's easy in our crazy busy day-to-day lives,
[12:39]even with the kids and all of their busy things in school
[12:43]and activities and whatever.
[12:44]Like when you stop and you get together
[12:46]and take a minute to have that special group family dinner
[12:50]or whatever, it's almost not even about the holiday.
[12:53]It's just about, okay, like these are the times that matter.
[12:56]Why is it so hard?
[12:57]Why do we have to set only a couple of days a year for this?
[13:00]Yes.
[13:01]And my experience as a mother was I was always looking ahead
[13:07]because the nature of children is you're always looking ahead.
[13:12]They are growing so nothing fits.
[13:17]You're always looking, you're buying the next size up.
[13:22]You're in one school, you're thinking about, okay,
[13:25]now what's the next school that we have to think about?
[13:28]And celebrations ground you in the present, as you said.
[13:33]Yes.
[13:34]My experience as a mom was because I'm a very type A person
[13:39]was just the constancy of the next indicated thing
[13:44]that needed to be done so I could be ahead of it.
[13:46]And you're in kindergarten, you're thinking about college.
[13:50]I mean, and what celebration does is it stops all of that noise.
[13:57]It stops all of the to-do lists.
[13:59]It stops the future thought
[14:03]and even stops the past thought
[14:06]and does bring you isn't into the present.
[14:10]Yes. Which is such a beautiful use of the word present.
[14:16]It is a present to be present.
[14:19]Yes.
[14:20]To be in presence of other people,
[14:25]to bear witness to a celebration together
[14:29]is really at the center of a book.
[14:31]This is a book for young children.
[14:33]It's meant primarily to be read by adults to children
[14:38]who are just beginning to understand the celebrations
[14:43]that this is your day coming up.
[14:45]And we celebrate you or it's grandma's birthday coming up
[14:49]and it's mother's day or it's father's day
[14:51]or it's whatever, you know, it's America's birthdays,
[14:55]the fourth of July or it's a holiday Easter.
[14:59]I thought that was interesting
[15:00]that you didn't call it the fourth of July.
[15:02]You called it America's day.
[15:04]America's day. Yeah.
[15:05]Well, it had to do with rhyming.
[15:08]To be honest, you know, I barely got out of high school
[15:12]so that I write books that rhyme demands like some version
[15:18]of vocabulary and, you know,
[15:23]my first two books that I wrote way back in the day
[15:28]when I never thought I would write a book in my life
[15:30]and then my four-year-old said something funny
[15:32]and I wrote it down and then I wrote a whole list of things,
[15:37]you know, she ran into my room.
[15:39]The last thing in the world I thought I would do is write a book.
[15:42]And never in a million years would write a book.
[15:44]And my then four-year-old kind of marched into my office.
[15:48]I remember everything about the day.
[15:49]I remember where I was sitting, what she was wearing
[15:53]and she marched into my office from down the hall
[15:55]where she was alone in her room,
[15:57]which at four in a baby safe room,
[16:01]you can leave them alone in their room
[16:03]for half an hour playing with blocks
[16:06]or playing house or whatever she was playing.
[16:10]You know, you don't have to be just sitting there
[16:14]with them at all times because you've baby-safe to the space.
[16:17]Anyway, she marched in my room with her hands on her hips
[16:21]and she declared to me when I was little,
[16:26]I wore a diaper, but now I use potty.
[16:30]And she was very definitive and kind of declarative
[16:34]that black women, this is like I am like this.
[16:38]And she was talking about her past way
[16:42]I talked about haircuts and bell bottoms.
[16:47]You know, like I would look back on my life
[16:50]and go, although she meant to fair bell bottoms.
[16:53]She was looking back on her life, even though she was four.
[16:58]And I wrote down on a piece of paper
[17:01]when I was little of four-year-olds memoir of her youth.
[17:05]And it made me laugh out loud.
[17:08]And then I wrote a list of things that she couldn't do
[17:11]and now could do.
[17:12]And at the end, I wrote three things.
[17:15]I wrote when I was little,
[17:18]I didn't know what a family was.
[17:20]When I was little, I didn't know what dreams were.
[17:25]when I was little, I didn't know who I was.
[17:30]But now I do.
[17:32]And the minute I wrote, now I do, I started sobbing
[17:35]because she realized in that second,
[17:39]that that four-year-old really was her own person
[17:44]with her own sense of accomplishment and challenge.
[17:49]And when tastes and interests,
[17:53]and although those grow and develop more by four,
[17:57]I think you know, kids are pretty cooked.
[18:00]They really do kind of let you know who they are.
[18:04]And that idea of self-identification made me so sad
[18:09]that she was already four, four is high school,
[18:16]four is college.
[18:18]The entirety of that, like the entirety of high school,
[18:22]my daughter's been alive, what are you talking about?
[18:25]It was so shocking to me that the compartmentalization
[18:29]of four years, and I didn't realize it was a book
[18:34]until I was crying.
[18:35]And then I went, oh, this is a book for children
[18:38]and I sent it to Harper and Roe at the time,
[18:42]wasn't even Harper Collins.
[18:44]And I asked them, I went to them
[18:46]because they had published a book that Laura Cornell
[18:50]had done her first book with an author named Leah Kamico
[18:55]called Annie Banani, which my daughter's name is Annie,
[18:58]and we had that book from the day she was born.
[19:01]And I loved her illustrations.
[19:04]And so I went to the publisher of a, you know,
[19:08]I sent it to a publisher who had published her drawings
[19:12]and they put us together and we've made 15 books together now.
[19:16]Oh my gosh.
[19:17]Well, I have to say, and I'm not just saying this,
[19:19]but I think this is my favorite of all of the books.
[19:23]I really do.
[19:24]I love the four, I love all of them,
[19:25]but there's something so pure and simple and joyous.
[19:32]And like, you can't help but feel a part of it
[19:35]on some like universe level today.
[19:38]Like they were all kind of in it together.
[19:40]And like, I'm excited too.
[19:42]Like I'm a mom and a grown up and I'm still,
[19:47]I still get excited for things that are one more sleep away.
[19:50]Like, don't you, like, what are you like,
[19:51]what's one more sleep away that you're excited about?
[19:53]Well, you know, for me, I love my job.
[19:58]And, you know,
[20:00]Just don't get to do their main job very often.
[20:03]Talk about it a lot.
[20:04]You wait, you know, we just had an actor's strike
[20:06]where everything was pushed off for months and months and months.
[20:09]There's been a lot of waiting.
[20:12]I've been an actor since I was 19.
[20:14]I am 65.
[20:16]I've waited for opportunities that I now
[20:22]through the miracle of the universe that I didn't get.
[20:27]I didn't get and now I get to.
[20:29]So now all of a sudden I have opportunities
[20:32]to do the work I love to do in a field
[20:36]that I've been working in for a very long time.
[20:38]So I get excited about that where I can't sleep
[20:42]and I'm from all of the first day of school jitters.
[20:46]But I am joyful every day.
[20:51]I'm one of those people, duh, I mean, you can just tell.
[20:55]And this is like, it's 7.30 in the morning for me.
[20:58]And I am like on fire.
[21:00]I'm just ruining the day.
[21:03]Like I am that person.
[21:05]I wake up fully formed and ready to go at 4.30 in the morning.
[21:11]I'm just, there's never been unless I had a cold or something.
[21:16]I have never kind of woken up and been like,
[21:20]I am this energized at 4.30.
[21:23]Like, without coffee.
[21:26]Yeah, I mean, I'd like a good cup of coffee,
[21:28]but I don't need it.
[21:29]You don't need it.
[21:30]Well, I'm this great.
[21:31]And I am the switch, you know, I am like on, off.
[21:34]By 4.30 at night, I'm a, you know, my dimmer is dimming.
[21:40]I mean, I'm a morning person.
[21:41]So I wake up joyful and the promise of a new day.
[21:46]I'm also sober.
[21:47]I mean, recovery, like I love the promise of a new day.
[21:52]And so I am that person all the time.
[21:56]But I agree with you.
[21:57]I'm, it's, it's what marks.
[22:00]It's the, it are the, they are the markers.
[22:04]Like in my family, starting,
[22:07]I do my Christmas shopping in August.
[22:09]Why?
[22:10]Because from the beginning of November.
[22:15]It's my birthday Thanksgiving.
[22:18]My daughter's birthday, my anniversary, Christmas,
[22:23]Hanukkah, and then my daughter-in-law's birthday,
[22:26]all within about two and a half weeks.
[22:28]So the end of the year in my family is a big celebration time.
[22:33]You know, and I like to be prepared for that.
[22:36]I like to have it ready to go so that I can actually
[22:39]enjoy the holiday rather than the oppression of like,
[22:44]you know, I have, you know, there's so much to do.
[22:48]I'm one of those people.
[22:49]I'm maybe some of your listeners are defollowing you
[22:52]or whatever you do because they're like,
[22:55]I don't like her.
[22:56]That is not true.
[22:57]Like her, I don't want to know that she does that
[23:01]because they're feeling it right now.
[23:03]Cause right now, I don't know when this airs,
[23:06]but you and I are talking on December 7th,
[23:08]the first day of Hanukkah, the first day of Hanukkah.
[23:11]And, you know, you know, the phrase, the clock is ticking.
[23:16]You know, this is what the book is about time.
[23:20]Yes. And the compartmentalization of time
[23:23]and small children's mind by sleeping.
[23:26]But for adults, we don't do so much sleeping.
[23:29]The children are asleep and we're the ones
[23:32]up going, how do you put together the new bike
[23:37]after you're exhausted and all you want to do
[23:40]is also join your child in sleep
[23:42]and dreaming of the next day
[23:44]when you know that it's your responsibility.
[23:46]Being a parent is hard, joyful but hard for sure.
[23:50]But those moments that are sometimes stressful
[23:53]in the present, you know, like when my kids were little,
[23:56]some of the holidays you wrote about in the book,
[23:58]I remember thinking like, oh my gosh,
[23:59]Thanksgiving used to be so stressful
[24:01]and I would race after them.
[24:02]And, you know, now that I'm older, I'm like,
[24:04]oh, but remember that Thanksgiving
[24:06]when like my kids running around naked,
[24:07]like that was so funny.
[24:10]And I can't, let's just talk about Thanksgiving for a second.
[24:13]Okay.
[24:14]It's roasted bird.
[24:16]Why people freak out?
[24:17]Do you roast a chicken?
[24:19]If you're not vegetarian.
[24:21]I mean, if you eat meat, do you roast a chicken?
[24:25]Do you freak out when you're gonna roast a chicken for dinner?
[24:29]I'm always just amazed.
[24:31]Did people are like, oh my gosh,
[24:33]I get it, and I'm sorry for you,
[24:38]it's roasted for a longer time.
[24:40]Yes, you do.
[24:41]I think like the combo of the oven and the bird,
[24:45]it just sort of happens.
[24:47]Yeah.
[24:48]Just put it in.
[24:49]It's not like we're sauteing anything.
[24:50]So thank you.
[24:51]Or to flay.
[24:53]Yeah.
[24:53]Slays, which after, you know, whatever.
[24:56]Yeah, roasting is the easiest of all the roasting and cake.
[25:01]So what else, when you think about this book coming out,
[25:04]like what is the big takeaway for readers,
[25:08]for kids, what do you want them to put the book down and say
[25:12]and do?
[25:13]I want them to recognize how lucky they are,
[25:19]that they have family and friends and people and children
[25:26]and elderly people and life happening around them.
[25:32]But we are communal people.
[25:35]We are not supposed to be alone and life can be lonely
[25:40]for many people, particularly the elderly,
[25:43]who had this level of family.
[25:48]And then as what happens, people grow up and, you know,
[25:52]they all go off and manifest their own destinies.
[25:55]And so more than anything, it's a celebration for us.
[26:01]Family, I'm not hyping here.
[26:04]It's a book for young children to help them understand time
[26:11]and celebration and why we do it and how we do it and how it feels
[26:18]and how everybody has to wait.
[26:21]That, you know, there is no fast pass to, you know,
[26:26]nowadays with all of these theme parks where you can buy
[26:30]your way through time.
[26:33]That isn't how life works.
[26:35]Life is hard and being a child.
[26:39]I've written 15 books for children,
[26:42]which someone years ago referred to as self-help books for children
[26:47]because I recognize it's hard to be five,
[26:54]learning how to work my control panel.
[26:57]You know, self-control when you're five,
[27:00]it's really hard.
[27:02]The whole idea that as a child running around
[27:05]and all of a sudden they tell you to sit down and sit still.
[27:09]And it's just even that alone is super challenging.
[27:14]So I'm not someone who is, you know, living in a fairy tale.
[27:21]I live in a real world. Children live in a real world.
[27:27]And as we all know, and there are hard things for children
[27:33]and there are incredibly beautiful, innocent, joyful,
[27:39]child-like moments of exuberance and excitement and anticipation.
[27:48]And that's what this book is about.
[27:50]It's a book to remind us all that we're all very much alike
[27:55]and that we all have to wait for things
[27:57]and that I hope it's a book that helps young children
[28:02]understand that, which is what all of these books ultimately,
[28:06]weirdly, all these years later have become, like,
[28:09]help books to, I mean, I wrote a book about feelings
[28:13]and today I feel silly and other means
[28:17]that make my day it's a book about feelings that it has a mood
[28:21]wheel in the back where you can one day feel really, really happy.
[28:26]And one day you can be really, really angry.
[28:29]And how does that, wait, I'm the same person.
[28:33]So why?
[28:34]And so I just hope these books in this one in particular
[28:38]is just a sort of joyful way of navigating in this case
[28:45]the really joyful, fun celebrations of life.
[28:48]Amazing.
[28:49]Well, I hope if you have any spare time,
[28:51]if you want to do a reading at my bookstore,
[28:53]we have kids coming in all the time.
[28:55]It's right here.
[28:56]It's in Santa Monica, a Montana Avenue.
[28:58]And you live in Santa Monica?
[29:00]I live in New York, but I'm there all the time.
[29:03]They're alive.
[29:04]And we're on Montana.
[29:06]It's on 11th in Montana.
[29:09]Thanks for listening to this episode of Moms Don't Have Time
[29:12]to Read Books.
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[29:25]Thanks so much to Steve and Ryan at Textures Sound for the
[29:28]Sound Editing.
[29:29]And thank you to Morning Moon Productions for providing this
[29:31]fantastic intro and outro music.