A Zibby's Most Anticipated!! Lyndsay Rush, A BIT MUCH: Poems
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[0:42]Lindsay Rush is the author of A Bit Much Poems.
[0:46]Lindsay is a comedy writer, co-founder of the branding agency Obedient, and the poet behind the popular Instagram account at Mary Oliver's Drunk Cousin.
[0:55]Her work has been featured in Reductress, McSweenies, New York Magazine, and The New York Times.
[1:00]Lindsay spent most of her adult life freezing in Chicago, Illinois, but currently swelters in Nashville, Tennessee with her husband, and young son.
[1:07]Welcome, Lindsay. Thank you so much for coming on Mom's Don't Have Time to read books to discuss a bit much.
[1:12]Tell them, congrats.
[1:14]Thank you for having me. I'm so excited to be here.
[1:17]Oh my gosh. I am obsessed. I doggared so many. I was like, yes, this. Guess that.
[1:22]Oh my gosh.
[1:23]Uh-huh. Yup.
[1:25]That's the best review.
[1:29]That's basically it.
[1:31]Okay. Tell listeners a little bit about this collection and also how you became Mary Oliver's Drunk Cousin and poetry to begin with and all of that.
[1:40]Yeah, so a bit much is a collection of modern poetry that I guess in a nutshell uses humor to grapple with the human experience and probably more specifically the female experience.
[1:53]So the title comes from a poem that is called She's A Bit Much and it was probably the first sort of viral poem I had like within the first year of starting that account and it really really resonated with a lot of women and it basically took the phrase.
[2:13]She's a bit much that is usually intended to diminish or shrink or silence women and I turned it on its head to be like to compare to a lot of really positive things and essentially give help encourage people to celebrate their big feelings or big personalities or that kind of stuff.
[2:31]So yeah, that sort of took off. I was I came up with the Instagram handle towards the tail end of COVID.
[2:39]I wanted to start a whole separate account that wasn't like my friends and family to experiment with this new form of writing summer.
[2:47]I am a writer but I had never written poetry until 2021.
[2:52]So I just thought what would be a funny or reverent handle that would let people instantly know what they were sort of getting themselves into and it's stuck.
[3:02]That's awesome.
[3:03]That is so great. If you could just still down, you know, the the moments that inspired you to write the poems like what are some examples of like, okay, I was walking, you know, that's about something.
[3:17]I was walking down the street and then I had the idea for this one or like what or did you just sit down in the mornings and have poetry just fall out of you.
[3:27]I'd say probably a little bit of both but in the beginning, I would use my old jokes or satire headlines things I'd posted on Twitter as jumping off points.
[3:41]And I say this in the introduction of my book, but that I essentially realized that for me a poem is just a joke with an epilogue.
[3:48]Because I've always found that humor is just the playful truth, the truth having fun.
[3:54]So it was it's been always been my favorite way to help myself learn, you know, hard things or deal with hard things and it turns out it's helped a lot of people through poetry through humor.
[4:06]And so I that's how I started and I'd play with the forum and I would sometimes do list poems or I would I would take a weird news headline and use that as the title and encourage myself to write off of that.
[4:17]But then half the time it's exactly what you said I'd be walking and I'd think of a phrase or I'd think of something I was going through and it would just I would immediately have to write it down.
[4:25]And so it was a writing form that came really easily to me and I really, really enjoyed, which was amazing how did it become a book.
[4:35]So yeah, so after she's a bit much that poem had some virility some celebrities reposted it it got a lot of traction and in that first year of my Instagram I think it grew to almost 100,000 followers.
[4:48]And so then that got the attention of literary agents and then I signed with one and then we sold the book last year.
[4:56]When I was pregnant with my first and only child, so that was all it was a really crazy year last year we sold the book had to write the manuscript.
[5:04]I'd turned in my final edits a week before he was born.
[5:08]So it all happened really fast and it was crazy and exciting and I hadn't I didn't initially have those aspirations for the account I just wanted to express myself and see if people resonated and have some fun.
[5:19]And then it turned into a book which I'm so excited about well that's the best way. I mean, if you had said I'm going to sit down and write a book of poetry.
[5:28]Right.
[5:29]As someone who was not a poet.
[5:31]It's good.
[5:32]You know, you have marketing and all that I was on your site for what's it called. I have it open.
[5:40]Yeah, you're your idiot obedient right now.
[5:44]Comedy marketing comedy centric marketing.
[5:49]So basically all your campaigns use humor to sell.
[5:52]That's it.
[5:53]Yeah.
[5:54]Our little like tagline is fun cells and we just, you know, there's some a stat that we throw around that's like 90% of consumers want to be entertained.
[6:02]And they want to laugh.
[6:04]And especially I feel like now more than ever you just want some levity you want a relief.
[6:11]And so yeah.
[6:12]So that's like comedy and humor have been the through line from all of my writing endeavors creating the branding agency and he's sort of like freelance that kind of stuff I've done and then poetry.
[6:21]And so I sort of get to laugh for a living which is crazy and wonderful.
[6:27]That's amazing.
[6:28]And we need to laugh for a living career colleges and all that.
[6:32]I'll tell you this.
[6:33]My I majored in film and Spanish and I don't use.
[6:38]All right.
[6:39]Yeah.
[6:40]So funny.
[6:43]Good.
[6:44]Spanish major.
[6:45]Yes.
[6:46]Just laugh.
[6:47]Can I read a few of the poems and you tell me what I would love it.
[6:51]Okay.
[6:52]It's amateur hour somewhere.
[6:53]Starting something new is like a one man show for a one man audience.
[6:57]The only applause worth seeking is your own.
[7:00]Don't rob yourself of that while you wait for approval from somewhere else.
[7:03]Sometimes winning yourself over is the greatest show on earth.
[7:07]I wrote that is so interesting in my little notes preparing for your show.
[7:12]I wrote that down as a you know if you were going to ask me what I would say to other writers.
[7:18]that is my favorite poem of that topic.
[7:21]So that was serendipitous.
[7:23]Well, there you go.
[7:24]I just read your mind.
[7:25]Yeah.
[7:26]Yeah.
[7:27]I love that.
[7:28]I feel like I need this kind of something popping up sometimes.
[7:31]And we all need that right.
[7:33]There's so many so much room for external approval all the time and the craving.
[7:38]It's like whatever.
[7:39]If you're not happy with it, it doesn't matter.
[7:42]Yeah.
[7:43]I think within that something that gave me a lot of excitement.
[7:47]And in my in building this poetry career was really.
[7:52]Being my own biggest fan and deciding giving myself permission to do it.
[7:57]You know, I don't have an MFA.
[7:58]I don't.
[7:59]You know, I wasn't even that big of a poetry reader before.
[8:02]I was, you know, and I'm sure there are some people, you know, in stepoets have a bit of a bad rap.
[8:08]But I just think if you let your freak flag fly and follow what you're very curious about, the chances are really good that that you will find a group of people who resonate with it because you're being authentic and excited versus trying to create manufacture something for people specifically.
[8:27]Like I that's what I mean by, you know, winning yourself over is the greatest show on earth because unless you believe it, unless you're writing it for yourself, I think I think that's the first step.
[8:38]I mean, I would wager I guess that most MFA's and poetry are not out there getting viral poetry hits and getting book deals.
[8:49]Do you know what I mean?
[8:50]Like, yeah, you have to just like go with the form that you're loving.
[8:55]Yeah.
[8:56]And not worry about any of the certifications associated.
[9:00]Right.
[9:01]And I think that's what a lot of people also are doing when they're self publishing is they're not waiting for the for any gatekeepers.
[9:08]They're saying I have something to say.
[9:10]And I think this is valid and would serve people.
[9:15]And yeah, I'm just a big fan of playing with form and sort of breaking the rules.
[9:19]It's definitely what something we do in our branding agency too is just because this is tradition.
[9:25]It actually would be much more interesting to people to consumers if you did something different.
[9:30]Yeah.
[9:31]I love that.
[9:32]Oh my gosh.
[9:33]Keep it simple, Susan.
[9:35]When I hold the word success under a black light, what glows back at me is ease and freedom.
[9:40]Not scrooge McDuck-esque vaults of swimmable gold, not cloud or fame or for the Joneses to eat my dust.
[9:47]Just nine to ten hours of sleep work that feels like play and terms and conditions that I write myself.
[9:53]Joy does not have to be an end of your bonus or something we squeeze in during PTO.
[9:58]I learned that one of our senses is called.
[10:00]of chronoception.
[10:01]It means the ability to feel the passing of time.
[10:04]And I do, I really do.
[10:06]And one of my proudest accomplishments
[10:08]is that I don't need a vacation from my vacation.
[10:11]It's so sweet hearings of,
[10:13]I don't know that I've heard a lot of other people read my work.
[10:16]There are a couple of really cool,
[10:17]like there's voice artists on TikTok
[10:20]that will find poets and read their words.
[10:23]I've had a few of that,
[10:24]but you just, you did that so lovely.
[10:25]Aw.
[10:26]Just like a regular nun performing reader,
[10:31]whatever your voice is your business.
[10:32]That was, oh, that was wonderful.
[10:34]That was wonderful.
[10:35]Yeah, I mean, for this.
[10:38]We're doing from the kids menu.
[10:40]This is a longer one,
[10:40]but you wrote this one like in block, like a whole block.
[10:43]I mean, the way you're formatting them all is really interesting too.
[10:46]I hope I never take myself so seriously
[10:48]that I stopped thinking it's funny
[10:50]to pretend that one of those giant pretzel rods is a cigar.
[10:53]I hope I never forget to put bugles and olives
[10:55]on the tips of each of my fingers
[10:57]or to eat a nutty buddy one layer at a time
[11:00]or to carefully pull each strand of string cheese
[11:02]until it's gone, by the way, I do all of these things.
[11:04]I hope I get to adjusting to lady in the tramp
[11:07]along spaghetti noodle until someone says, yes,
[11:09]I hope I never stop squirting ready
[11:11]whipped directly into my mouth,
[11:12]spearing a single macaroni noodle
[11:14]onto each time of my fork
[11:16]and attempting to eat popcorn
[11:17]by throwing it straight into the air.
[11:18]I hope I always fill each tiny square of my waffle
[11:21]to the brim with syrup and blow bubbles
[11:24]in my chocolate milk and assemble my two eggs
[11:26]and bacon into a breakfast plate smiley base
[11:29]and pretend that banana is ringing
[11:31]with an important phone call.
[11:31]I must take right this minute.
[11:33]I hope when I'm 83 years old, I find myself using a cookie cutter
[11:36]to turn my sandwiches into fun shapes
[11:38]even though I'm no longer young,
[11:40]even though they tried all my life to convince me
[11:42]that play was something I ought to outgrow.
[11:46]I love that one.
[11:49]I love, you know, you have experience with this.
[11:52]I feel like you write the book so long ago,
[11:56]you almost not forget,
[11:58]but I'm not as familiar with what's in it
[12:01]because the work becomes the promotion
[12:03]and the marketing and all of that stuff.
[12:05]So I, you know, haven't thought of that one in a while.
[12:09]But I think I'd get this from my mother.
[12:12]She is, she is just someone who is very curious
[12:17]and very astonished, but she's just, you know,
[12:21]she would be in this room and she would be like,
[12:23]oh, the like, she just notices things
[12:25]and chooses to be delighted by them.
[12:28]And I feel like she turned everything into a game
[12:31]when we were little.
[12:32]And so I've just had that like the delight DNA, I guess.
[12:37]And that's what inspired that poem.
[12:39]It was trying to hold on to that
[12:42]and keep play at the forefront.
[12:45]Because I just don't think anybody looks back
[12:47]and is like, so glad I was like, kept my head down
[12:50]and kept my nose to the grind.
[12:51]So I know it was very, very serious
[12:53]and accomplished these things.
[12:55]Yeah.
[12:56]I mean, anyway, that's sort of the impetus there.
[12:59]Well, the other day, my daughter did have a piece
[13:02]of rigatoni on each of her five fingers.
[13:04]And I'm like, you know, you can't do that at the day at all.
[13:07]We had like, we had like a table full of guests
[13:09]and she was just like one by one, you know,
[13:11]sucking them off her fingers at age 11, you know.
[13:14]And I'm like, we have to stop and she's like, why?
[13:17]You know, why do we have to stop?
[13:18]And then I was like, I don't know, do we have to stop?
[13:21]Right.
[13:22]Be easier if I just let her do it.
[13:23]Right.
[13:25]Everybody would win.
[13:26]Yeah, exactly.
[13:28]Okay, one or two more.
[13:29]Do you mind?
[13:30]It's so good.
[13:31]I love it.
[13:32]You have a lot on your plate.
[13:33]OMG, thank you for noticing.
[13:35]I do have a lot of my plate right now
[13:37]between work and hobbies and relationships
[13:38]and the stack of books I look at.
[13:40]Look at, lovingly every night
[13:42]while I open my phone, just girl TikTok instead.
[13:45]Not to mention the steaming garbage state of the world.
[13:48]My proverbial plate is absolutely overflowing
[13:51]with important work and worries and dreams.
[13:53]Isn't it a miracle on this lovely?
[13:55]Anyway, what's new with you?
[13:56]And before you answer, could you please pass the rolls?
[13:58]Yeah, you know, I wrote that one around Thanksgiving.
[14:04]And it's interesting.
[14:05]It's so interesting.
[14:06]Like in my mind, that was a playful retort
[14:10]for if somebody commented on how much you were or were not eating.
[14:14]Because I know that that is something that a lot of people
[14:16]deal with with family members or people, you know,
[14:18]you're eating a lot of you're not eating just those comments.
[14:21]And then when we were choosing poems for the book,
[14:26]my editor was like, I think this could stand on its own
[14:29]without the Thanksgiving context.
[14:33]You know, like without necessarily knowing,
[14:35]because there are some people that read that
[14:36]that truly just take it at you're very busy.
[14:39]You know, you have a lot on your plate.
[14:40]And of course, I mean, you know, double meaning
[14:42]and we're playing my favorite.
[14:43]But yeah, that's what that one is sort of all about.
[14:46]Amazing.
[14:47]And now I'm wondering, because a lot of the poems
[14:49]did have to do with like you and your relationship
[14:53]to your body and pregnancy even and the world's perception
[14:57]of you and all that.
[14:58]And I realize now this is my own therapy.
[15:01]I didn't actually turn over any of those to talk to you about
[15:04]except this one, which is things that taste as good
[15:06]as skinny feels, which is sort of an offshoot of that.
[15:09]This is the last one I'll read.
[15:10]But usually I don't just read to the person writing,
[15:12]but anyway, these are so good.
[15:14]Box Brownies with homemade icing,
[15:16]and ice cold, West Coast IPA,
[15:18]letting I love you roll off my tongue,
[15:20]roll off of my tongue and meaning it.
[15:23]K so butter cream cheese,
[15:24]knowing that the way my body looks
[15:26]is the least interesting thing about me.
[15:28]At Grossy Pelosi's vodka sauce,
[15:30]Crazy Jane's mixed up salt.
[15:32]Is that a part?
[15:34]I know, that's a crazy Jane.
[15:36]So no, that's like, it's a brand of salt
[15:39]and it's called Crazy Jane's.
[15:41]Crazy Jane's mixed up salt, buying jeans that fit,
[15:44]compliments that are unrelated to weight loss.
[15:46]Kind words, I speak to myself,
[15:48]watching my call at candy bars, smash burgers,
[15:50]nearly every flavor of potato chip,
[15:53]the comfort that I am pulling it off,
[15:54]simply by putting it on my body,
[15:57]BLTs, spicy nacho Doritos,
[15:59]not regurgitating the dogma that I was forced
[16:02]fed as a kid, tomato straight from the garden,
[16:04]a New York style bagel, body neutrality,
[16:07]wearing shorts again, fountain cherry Coke,
[16:09]unfollowing accounts online that perpetuate diet culture,
[16:12]or make me feel weird about the body I live in.
[16:15]What a gorgeous spread.
[16:16]I think I'll go back for seconds.
[16:19]So I laugh, but there's serious messages in that,
[16:22]like a lot of serious messages
[16:23]packed into a tiny little poem, unpack, please.
[16:26]Yes, so it's interesting,
[16:29]cause I don't know that I don't think I grew up
[16:33]with any sort of trauma related to body image
[16:37]more than just the average woman experiences
[16:40]just from being perceived in the world.
[16:44]And then I think as I've gotten older,
[16:46]I turned 40 last year.
[16:48]And then with pregnancy,
[16:50]I just, I had my body on my mind a lot.
[16:53]And just this idea of, am I allowed to curse?
[16:56]Can you beat me on if I got hurt?
[16:58]I, a comedian friend of mine says that age gracefully
[17:01]just means decay, fuckably, meaning this idea
[17:05]that we are supposed to stay a certain level of attractive
[17:09]to the male gaze or to societal gaze.
[17:11]And so that, so as I explore anything that is to do with that,
[17:15]I think was just in general about being perceived
[17:19]in the body that we're in
[17:21]and the pressure of being a woman
[17:25]and a middle age woman and all those expectations
[17:27]that come along with it.
[17:29]Yeah.
[17:30]And again, like I like, I love,
[17:31]and I wrote that early on.
[17:32]I think around the era of, she's a bit much.
[17:34]I love taking a phrase that people intend to mean one way
[17:41]and flipping it.
[17:43]So I do, I think I have one as well in the book
[17:45]that is called age and gracefully.
[17:48]Or no, letting myself go, it's all about age and gracefully.
[17:52]And so like, that's another thing we've turned.
[17:54]And like my community, we all, like we're letting ourselves go
[17:57]and that is a positive thing.
[17:59]Cause we're letting ourselves go free from expectations,
[18:02]go off the handle, you know, go bananas.
[18:04]Yeah, that one's about.
[18:05]Oh no, you say it.
[18:06]Let yourself go, okay.
[18:08]You sure, that sounds like a blast.
[18:10]Right?
[18:11]I would love to let me say, where am I going?
[18:12]Yeah, it was driving and are we going snacks?
[18:16]Exactly, exactly.
[18:17]I'm in.
[18:18]Back in.
[18:19]Yeah, we just wrote a new book right there.
[18:22]Right, there we go.
[18:22]We'll put that in the next collections.
[18:24]The sequel, speaking of,
[18:27]are you writing a sequel or another collection of poems
[18:30]or anything else?
[18:31]You know, that is the hope and the idea at the moment
[18:36]would be that they would maybe be all about motherhood.
[18:39]But I don't know.
[18:40]There's also like, and you have experienced it,
[18:42]there's children's books that have been thrown around
[18:45]about to help younger girls embrace their a bit muchness
[18:50]from a younger age.
[18:51]I like that.
[18:52]So I would love it if I have the opportunity
[18:53]to continue to write poems.
[18:55]You never know how society is going to change
[18:58]or if people, you know, right now is a really, really good time
[19:01]to be a poet.
[19:02]People are very excited by it.
[19:04]I don't know why I got it the right time.
[19:07]So if I'm able to, I would love to keep writing this.
[19:11]It's very, very fun for me.
[19:12]I love that there's a resurgence,
[19:14]like a new coolness about that because it's kind of a new form.
[19:19]And like Maggie Smith sort of blowing the doors off the genre
[19:22]and just being like, totally who's with me?
[19:24]Right, we have, I feel like we have Maggie Smith
[19:26]and Kate Bear to thank.
[19:28]Yeah, they bear it.
[19:29]That it was just like, hey, what if we,
[19:31]and then we're all like, oh, cool.
[19:33]Yeah.
[19:34]And it does, it is, there's just so many, especially
[19:37]I've of course found through my account,
[19:39]but there are so many up and coming poets who I just,
[19:43]I'm like, I mean, myself, I am up and coming, I guess.
[19:46]I'm going somewhere.
[19:47]I mean, I think you're here.
[19:48]I'm like, literally like holding your book.
[19:50]How up and coming that we have to get.
[19:52]But yeah, so it's an exciting time.
[19:55]And I think people are realizing I, one of the ways
[19:58]that we talk about this book is that it's.
[20:00]poetry for people who don't like poems or who didn't know that they liked poetry and so I'm hoping to
[20:07]you know help people get familiar with the idea of poetry in a different way than they have expected
[20:13]it. I mean it kind of devtales with the lack of attention span that everybody has these days,
[20:19]right? I said this is just a book with really short chapters. Great, right. I mean at one point
[20:23]someone was they some people who were pitching to buy the book wanted to turn it into a coffee
[20:29]table book because it was like digestible but then we really wanted it in paperback so that people
[20:34]could you know lend it to their friends bring it with them on the subway like it felt to me like
[20:41]something that you could throw in your bag and have and then the book itself is sectioned into
[20:46]chapters by emotion. I love that yes by how you either are feeling or would like to feel so I'm
[20:52]like it's a little you know snippet little guide that if you're like oh I'm feeling this way you can pull it
[20:58]we curate my bookstore in Santa Monica this way like based on feelings or fun topics like motherhood
[21:04]my legs or reeling from divorce or you know books that make you tremble or whatever but like
[21:09]yours took it to a whole new level and I was like oh I should have like don't even deeper with
[21:13]these categories but I didn't but anyway there's always time. How are you going to take your
[21:20]branding and marketing knowledge and market this book? What are the plans? Like how have you
[21:26]how are you doing that? Do you have a tagline for the book? Like how are you doing it? Oh man I
[21:31]really should because that's our that's like one of our favorite projects is taglines. I
[21:36]yeah I've been able to use my marketing mind but it is it is just a whole another beast because
[21:43]it's you and so you're basically saying do you like this? Do you like me? Would you like to like me?
[21:50]But I've just been trying to have fun with it of course that's like my mantra. I've been
[21:55]making a little series on Reels and TikTok where I take the book and show her other things that
[22:00]are a bit much so like a really crazy burger or like a sparkly latte or there's this like iconic
[22:08]hot pink house on my side of town in East Nashville. So that has been fun and just trying to really
[22:14]be silly with it and I think the thing I've learned so far is that people really want to help you.
[22:22]It is very very humbling to ask and then it is it has been very beautiful the people that have
[22:29]been like oh I'll connect you with this person or I'll make that for your PR box or all you know
[22:35]I'll post about this so that has been my favorite part about it it's been very hard for me to
[22:41]ask but then seeing people want to help and then it reminds me that I want to do that for other
[22:47]people you know so it's been really special so far that's awesome you know I was literally just
[22:51]telling someone who I was trying to have her like accept my help on something and I was like and
[22:57]when other people too and I was like other people like people like to help they look people
[23:02]like to feel helpful so if you don't let them help you're actually depriving the other person
[23:07]like that satisfying feeling that they could have so yeah it is it's very special I just posted
[23:15]funny little stories on my Instagram because with a gift of someone asking for something because
[23:20]I just feel like I've been asking people like would you come to this event would you host this
[23:24]could I you know all these different things and someone wrote me back and they said you know for
[23:28]two and a half years you've posted almost every day and given us a lot of words for feelings
[23:34]like words we didn't have for things we're going through like let us help you and give back in
[23:40]that way and that is I know that it gets a lot of hate or a bad rap but I love social media for
[23:47]that reason when it connects people in that way I totally agree I totally agree my gosh okay what
[23:53]cool things you putting in your influencer box now I have to ask so have you ever heard of it's
[24:00]called longhand pencils okay she she's making she's been going through the book and so she's making
[24:05]a bunch of pencils with different sayings on them oh we are having I'm gonna tell you three I'm
[24:10]gonna tell you the mall because it can be a secret and you'll get one we're having little confetti
[24:14]poppers that they have customized with the colors from the book so the book has a sardington full
[24:21]of confetti we're still looking for sardine partner though because I feel like I sort of have to so
[24:26]fish wife if you're listening this little confetti poppers and then little friendship bracelets
[24:31]all I tell her to have to say a bit much I love that so great so much chaos as we can fit
[24:38]in the little box I love it I don't know if you've read this book Joyful by Ingrid Vitaly but it's
[24:44]yes you have it's about color and shape and circles and joy and whatever and I feel like your book
[24:50]is like especially this cover is just like the epitome of a joyful cover which of course joy is
[24:56]in a bunch of your things right all about celebration of things yeah it was a hard the book cover
[25:04]process I was not prepared for how difficult it would be for somebody who is I'm not very visual
[25:09]obviously in words and verbal and so trying to articulate with you know this talented team of designers
[25:15]what what I wanted and you read a poem that had it we played around with olives on fingers
[25:21]a lot of imagery from that poem we played around with and then ultimately landed here which I
[25:27]think is they were just like we need glitter or confetti we need something that the masses would
[25:32]instantly recognize as a good thing because I forget in my world a bit much is already good but for
[25:39]most people seeing it they need to be told that that this is like a celebration of being a bit
[25:45]so the confetti does that cool love it oh when you think of the tagline yes and now that was a
[25:52]perfect task that's it I want to see like ads that you make for it you know the way you know I
[25:57]you're right my gosh I really have to now I can't believe I haven't thought of it yeah you better
[26:02]I'm gonna what advice do you have for aspiring authors aside from the s the poem that we read
[26:06]at the beginning now you'll have to think of something on the fly yeah yeah I think I mean
[26:11]someone smarter than me said this it might have been Mary Oliver herself I think it is where she
[26:16]says pay attention be astonished right about it that is someone I might be miss attributing but I
[26:22]think it is my cousin she's not really my cousin my cousin Mary Oliver and that I think it's just
[26:28]pay attention to to like small things and nothing is too small like if you're noticing it there
[26:37]are other people that are noticing it and it in it matters and I think I think the other piece
[26:43]of advice I would give is there's so much more I purposely didn't read a lot of other modern
[26:49]poets when I was writing the manuscript and even when I was starting my account because I was just
[26:53]so fearful of taking on anyone's voice or style and I know a lot of people say you should read a
[26:59]lot of you know people you admire I'm sort of like find your own style and voice first especially
[27:07]in the you know internet age when there's so much you can consume because you need to sound like
[27:11]you and not like somebody else I love them very good advice amazing well good luck Lindsay
[27:18]I'll be reading for you so exciting and I can't wait to see your campaign and everything else
[27:25]that comes out of the book and all the people it's going to help I think you're going to like
[27:29]be over the moon meeting all these people on tour I can't wait to hear about it so excited thank
[27:33]you so much for having me my pleasure if you soon okay and uh we'll just have to sneak into
[27:38]this friends of your house to steal her beautiful wife I know our sister you're gonna turn around
[27:43]and like I'll be there behind you you're like you're like taking something exactly and don't mind
[27:49]me don't mind me don't mind me talk to you later bye bye thanks for listening to moms don't have time
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