Judy Greer, THE BEST CHRISTMAS PAGEANT EVER

2024-11-11 · 26:18 · Judy Greer · Podcast Audio

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[0:38]Thanks for listening. Judy Greer is the author of, I don't know what you know me from,

[0:46]and she's also the star of the best Christmas pageant ever. Judy Greer has had a prolific career

[0:53]in both film and television, appearing in nearly 200 roles to date, including the Blue

[0:57]House reboot of Halloween, directed by David Gordon Green, starring alongside Jamie Lee Curtis,

[1:02]and its equal Halloween kills. She recently starred in the indie film, Eric LaRue,

[1:07]Michael Shannon's directorial debut, which premiered this year at the Tribeca Film Festival.

[1:12]Greer's television credits include reboot, Steve Levittan's new series for Hulu and 20th television.

[1:17]She was nominated for an Astra Television Award for her work on the HBO Limited series White House Plumbers,

[1:23]and Judy also wrapped the 14th season of FX's beloved animated series Archer. Her new

[1:29]movie is the best Christmas pageant ever. I interviewed her as part of the junket while she was

[1:36]on tour for this fabulous film, which my kids and I watched and loved. So we talked about the movie,

[1:42]and we talked about her and her book and her life. And honestly, she is so knowledgeable about

[1:47]books. It blew me away. Listen to our fabulous bookish conversation and go see her new movie,

[1:52]the best Christmas pageant ever. Hi Judy, how are you? It's so nice to meet you too.

[1:59]So I have to say I read your memoir. So now I'm worried that this is one of those junkets where

[2:03]you're going to make up a word. Oh my gosh, you know what's so funny as I was talking to some of

[2:08]the team from Lionsgate here today. And I was as soon as I was talking about this junket being

[2:13]really fun because everyone loves the movie. And it's been like a fun movie to talk about. And I've

[2:17]been mostly paired with pee homes. And I was like, gosh, you know, we didn't even need to play

[2:21]the word game this time because it's been like super fun. So don't you worry anything

[2:28]that I say is like real. Okay. Well, I'll be on the lookout for alligators or whatever.

[2:34]Good night. Well, congratulations on the movie, which was fabulous.

[2:38]Watched with my kids. It was so great and funny and poignant and amazing. So thank you for that.

[2:43]That's what we wanted. That's the best. Thank you.

[2:47]Having read your memoir and started to keep referencing it, but now I go, I don't mind it all,

[2:52]please, which was great. And this is like usually a book's podcast. Yeah, I love books.

[2:57]and so they're clearly a lot of differences. Why don't you talk about your mom and playing

[3:09]a mom and maybe your role as a step mom as well. Yeah. I mean, well, I've now I've played a lot of

[3:15]moms. And they're all very, they're all very different. Like all the different, like there's

[3:20]different versions of momming. I only can, you know, I only know like to borrow from my own

[3:27]personal experience with my step kids. But then also like from my mom and my mom, she was a career

[3:34]woman. She was really tough. She was really driven is, I should say, very focused. And also,

[3:40]I think her expectations of people around her were and are very high. And so I always wanted

[3:47]to impress her. I still kind of do. That doesn't go away. We talk about it though. So it's like

[3:52]totally healthy. But I always want to make my mom impressed. And she really taught me such an insane

[4:00]work ethic. And so I think part of the reason like my friends are always like, you're never

[4:04]not working. You work too much. I'm like, that's how I was raised. And that's like what I value is

[4:10]like working hard. And like my mother was a hospital administrator. And she loved healthcare. And

[4:16]she loves healthcare. She loved being in a hospital. She loved nursing. She loved patients.

[4:21]And so I learned from her to like spend my life doing something that I love so that I never

[4:26]feel like I'm at work. And so that's what I did. And I think for Grace, I mean to compare Grace

[4:33]to my mom, like my mother would have a hundred percent volunteered for the pageant. In fact,

[4:38]so many times, like I will talk to my mom and she'll be like, oh, you know, I'm going over to Liz

[4:42]to help her paint her bedroom. And I'm like, why does Liz need you to help her paint her bedroom?

[4:46]Like, wow, she just does. Or like, I'm going to go and move in with Nini for six weeks while she

[4:52]recovers from her knee surgeries in case she needs anything. And like, she's just so like that. Like

[4:57]she's so giving up her time. And she volunteers even now. And I mean, I think my mom will always

[5:04]be someone who you can like the community could lean on. But don't take advantage of my mom

[5:08]if you're listening to this. But she's always willing to donate her time, which I think she's

[5:15]taught me is very valuable. Oh, I love that. Well, Grace in the movie, as soon as she felt like

[5:22]she couldn't do it or anyone was threatening her, she was like all in, right? Like the neighborhood

[5:27]mean moms and all of that. And she's like, oh yeah, yes, I can. Which I loved because why not stick

[5:34]up to the main moms. And yeah, it's very important. But I feel like that was like your mom talking

[5:39]to you and saying like, yes, you can get into this acting program in a week. And like you're going

[5:44]to do it. I was thinking about that when you were like, she, my mom does love a challenge. And

[5:50]I remember that vividly that that was a real challenge for my mom. And in this particular case,

[5:55]the challenge was about me, not her. But yes, she would always rise to the occasion. And if

[6:01]someone told her that she couldn't do it, she definitely would prove that she can. And so I think

[6:07]in that way, she has so much in common with Grace. Because yes, they both really took it upon

[6:13]themselves to, I mean, my mom pushed me into something that I would have probably let slip through

[6:19]my hands and Grace really decided that she could make this pageant work and she could make it

[6:25]work with the herdmen's. I love that. Well, you know, the determination and all that just shines

[6:33]through. I was wondering, so this book, the book on which the movie is based the best Christmas

[6:37]pageant ever by Barbara Robinson came out in 1972. Did you read this book growing up? Because I

[6:42]actually did not. Did you had you read it before? I don't have any memory of this book in my childhood.

[6:48]And I'm not saying that that wasn't there. I just don't remember it. And I definitely read

[6:53]all the books on our shelves. The first time I read it was after I read the script. So I usually

[7:00]in a situation like this, I would read the script first and then I would read the book and then

[7:04]I'm always curious about like, oh, how different is it going to be? And what was really

[7:08]heartwarming was I loved the script so much and the book was the same. So to me, it was like

[7:14]a no brainer. I mean, that it's written exactly like the novel, I think, or novella is really,

[7:21]it's kind of telling, you know, like a book that has managed to be beloved for this many decades.

[7:26]Like, why would you change it? It's true. No, it was so similar and that was great because the

[7:32]voice is the best part, right? And the voice is something you can't replicate that easily.

[7:36]Exactly. And that's really what the tone is. And I think that it's very, it says a lot about a

[7:42]director who wants to maintain the books tone and character and doesn't think that he or she can

[7:50]like add a better twist to it. Like, he just wanted to make this movie in the way that he always

[7:56]read the book instead of, and I'm talking about Dallas Jenkins in this case, instead of like trying

[8:01]to put his own spin on it or his own twist on it, you know? And I think that says a lot too. Like,

[8:06]how much he cherishes the story. Yeah. It's wonderful. Well, I fixed what's not broken, right?

[8:12]Exactly. Yeah. Why not? So you've written about being the friend. It's so much in your career

[8:19]date. And here you are this star. I mean, this is amazing. You just like nailed it.

[8:25]So that has been so far for you. Well, I definitely was number one on the call sheet of this

[8:31]movie, but I feel like the real star of this film is the kids. They're just like, I mean,

[8:37]you can't even be mad at him for stealing all the scenes because they're so good. And they're

[8:41]so wonderful. And I mean, having an opportunity to be the lead in a movie, you know, I,

[8:48]first of all, it's hugely flattering. And I'm very grateful, but I never, I don't know. I've really

[8:56]seen the beauty in like what I do, which is to be able to sort of disappear inside of roles. And I

[9:04]know I write about this, but to be able to kind of blend into the background a little bit more,

[9:10]I think it just, you know, I have, I've hit so many demographics with my fans. I've done so many

[9:17]different genres of TV and film. Like, I don't think I could have accomplished all that if I'd

[9:23]started out maybe as number one on the call sheet. I don't know. I think of most of what I do

[9:29]as an ensemble because it has to be that way for us to tell a story. You know, there's,

[9:35]I mean, I'm the star of the life of Judy Greer, but when I'm acting, I am a part of this great

[9:42]company, hopefully great company of people all like working to tell one story. I sound like very

[9:49]hippie-dippy, but I don't believe, you know, they say there's only small, there's no small actors,

[9:55]right? But like, I, I don't know. I, I kind of agree with-

[10:00]Yeah, it's so dorky, but it's true.

[10:02]No, it's not.

[10:03]It's lovely.

[10:04]And that's such a nice thing to do.

[10:05]And it also does tell.

[10:07]Don't tell so well with Grace and her whole personality

[10:10]and how she sees the good in everybody.

[10:12]And she can just have so much patience and tolerance.

[10:15]And the worst seeming kids can actually,

[10:17]if you understand what motivates them or take the time,

[10:22]it makes all the difference.

[10:23]And it's a lesson that I feel like we need so much,

[10:24]particularly now in the world.

[10:26]Do you feel like you got an injection of empathy

[10:29]plus after being in the film?

[10:33]I really did.

[10:34]I really loved Grace.

[10:35]I mean, I like thinking about like,

[10:37]what can I steal from these people I play?

[10:40]And with her, like, she's so patient.

[10:42]And Grace is, I mean, she's not afraid to go outside

[10:46]of her comfort zone.

[10:47]And I think that that is what drives so many of us

[10:51]is fear and fear of the other and fear of the unknown.

[10:55]And if we can take these great leaps

[10:58]while being afraid, like our life is going to get so much

[11:02]fuller and so much more beautiful.

[11:04]And I really learned that from this story,

[11:06]this movie taught me that, the script even before we started

[11:09]shooting it and also Grace's character.

[11:12]And how she allows these kids to take over the pageant

[11:17]and stand up for them to the whole town is like terrifying,

[11:23]I think, but it's so beautiful.

[11:25]It really is.

[11:26]It's amazing.

[11:27]Tell me a little more about the role of books in your life.

[11:30]And I know you, in the book you said that Lori Gottlieb's

[11:35]book actually got you to marry your husband.

[11:37]And she's been on this podcast.

[11:38]And she's amazing.

[11:39]I love her.

[11:40]So I know you're in a book club or were.

[11:42]Are you still in a book club?

[11:43]By the way, I would love to be in another book club.

[11:46]So if anyone will help me in their book club,

[11:49]I'm on the hunt for a good book club.

[11:51]We sort of disbanded it.

[11:53]You can come to my book club.

[11:54]I have a book club.

[11:55]If you want.

[11:55]I'm just thrown it out there.

[11:57]I would love to.

[11:58]Oh my gosh, I would love to.

[11:59]OK.

[12:00]You're in here first.

[12:01]We do not have to read my book in the book club

[12:03]by the way.

[12:03]In fact, I also bring good snacks.

[12:07]Do we do it in person or is it on Zoom?

[12:09]It's on Zoom.

[12:10]OK.

[12:10]We do it in person at my bookstore in Santa Monica.

[12:13]So we could meet there and there and then books.

[12:17]Yes.

[12:17]How you were asking me about the books.

[12:20]Yeah.

[12:20]Are you still in a book club and what do you like to read?

[12:22]So no not in a book club anymore, but I guess now I am.

[12:26]So thank you for that.

[12:27]Thank you for changing my answer.

[12:28]I got so excited I forgot the question.

[12:30]Books, I would say are, I mean, I'm

[12:33]going to sound like hyperbolic, but like everything in my life.

[12:37]Like I'm never not reading.

[12:41]I love books.

[12:43]I've loved books since I was a little kid.

[12:45]I don't remember learning how to read.

[12:47]I remember reading.

[12:48]I read so much when I was growing up that my parents told

[12:52]my babysitters that I wasn't allowed to read,

[12:54]that I had to go outside and play.

[12:56]They limited the amount of books I could buy.

[12:59]I've always been holed up with a book somewhere.

[13:03]And I read every single day.

[13:06]It is actually like the one thing I really do every day.

[13:10]I cannot think of a day in my whole life when I haven't

[13:14]ended it by reading at least one page of something.

[13:17]And often I wake up in the middle of the night

[13:19]with insomnia, which is so awesome.

[13:23]But I read in bed at night when I can't sleep.

[13:27]And yeah, one of my favorite things to do.

[13:30]I travel so much for work.

[13:32]And I'm always shooting in towns all over the world,

[13:36]mostly in America.

[13:37]But I did get out to Europe this year for the first time.

[13:39]That was fun.

[13:40]But I always, first thing I do is find a bookstore.

[13:43]And one of my best friends is a producer named Helen

[13:46]Estebruck.

[13:48]And she, whenever I get to, like, am I

[13:51]I'm shooting somewhere in a new town.

[13:53]And I'm really like, I feel a little unhinged.

[13:55]And there's no earth beneath my feet.

[13:58]And I'm homesick.

[13:59]And I'm like, I can't do it.

[14:00]I can't be here for two months.

[14:02]Helen always says, find a bookstore and go to it.

[14:04]Make it the first thing you do when you get to a new place.

[14:08]And you'll feel home.

[14:09]And you'll understand.

[14:11]And you'll feel settled.

[14:12]And it's so true.

[14:14]And that's what I do.

[14:16]And it's just been the greatest advice for travel.

[14:18]And I go to, and unfortunately, I buy so many books

[14:22]when I travel.

[14:23]And my husband's always like, why do you buy books

[14:25]when you travel?

[14:26]They're heavy.

[14:27]And you don't have room for them.

[14:28]I have to.

[14:29]I have to.

[14:30]I am the same, the same exact way.

[14:33]It's so great to go to a place and feel like, oh, look,

[14:36]you're all my friends.

[14:37]They're just waiting for me on the shelves.

[14:38]I know.

[14:39]I know.

[14:40]And I think I feel like less guilty buying a book

[14:42]when I'm traveling.

[14:44]And I'm supporting a small local bookstore.

[14:47]There can not be gifts.

[14:49]No gifts.

[14:49]It can be associated with books.

[14:51]You're doing a good thing for the author,

[14:53]for the community, for you.

[14:54]I'm going to take that off the table right now.

[14:56]No guilt can be associated with purchasing books.

[14:59]I'm right now about to finish Laura Dave's new novel.

[15:03]That's on my nightstand.

[15:04]I have a book.

[15:05]Yes, obviously.

[15:07]I have a collection of essays by Rebecca Sullivan

[15:11]on my nightstand as well that I dip into from time to time.

[15:15]I finished before that, H's for Hawk and Diary of Avoid.

[15:21]And I'm trying to think of what I read before that.

[15:25]Oh, I did this summer.

[15:26]I shot a movie called The Long Walk,

[15:29]which is based on a book by Stephen King

[15:31]that he wrote in the 70s.

[15:33]So I read that.

[15:34]And I also just finished Atomic Habits,

[15:38]which I'd been dying to read.

[15:40]I read that with my step-son.

[15:41]So we're going to work on our Atomic Habits together.

[15:44]I love him so much.

[15:45]And he was totally willing to read that with me.

[15:48]Before that, I read a book called,

[15:50]I'm ashamed to say boundaries.

[15:53]And I'm like, I really need to get some boundaries.

[15:56]And then I swear because our phones are listening to us

[15:59]like up past an alert for like, buy boundaries by so-and-so.

[16:03]And I was like, OK, so I read boundaries.

[16:06]I still don't have boundaries.

[16:07]But now I know why I don't.

[16:09]I'm trying to think of, isn't it funny?

[16:12]I just go through them so quickly.

[16:13]And then I forget.

[16:14]I feel like I've never read a book before.

[16:16]But that is a lot.

[16:17]Most people can remember like one or two.

[16:19]So that was actually, that was like an A plus on the reco.

[16:21]Oh, thank you.

[16:22]We also, you know, I was shooting a movie

[16:25]after the best Christmas page and ever.

[16:27]And I was with my cast and we were in Finland.

[16:30]And we sort of had like a whole book thing going where like,

[16:32]all of us on the movie were big readers.

[16:34]So we were switching books and trading them.

[16:36]And that was really fun, too.

[16:37]I read the Wager, a book called, Swimming Pool.

[16:41]I'm trying to think of, oh, oh, bummer.

[16:44]I can't remember.

[16:45]Oh, trust, we all read, which was amazing.

[16:48]Wait, so you should have your own book club.

[16:50]Oh, seriously, put it on Instagram.

[16:53]Pick a book of mine then, but you don't do it.

[16:55]God, I mean, maybe I could.

[16:57]I feel like, but okay, like when you have a book club,

[17:00]like what if you don't, like I'm just so blown away

[17:03]that someone can write a book,

[17:05]but like what if you don't love it?

[17:07]Like, how do you do that?

[17:08]Okay, then don't, then don't pick that.

[17:09]Don't pick that book then.

[17:11]As your book of the book.

[17:12]Okay, you have, and then choose it.

[17:14]Yeah, like after you finish a book and you're like,

[17:16]this is the best thing ever.

[17:17]I can't wait to tell everybody about that.

[17:18]Okay, that'll be your book club.

[17:19]Okay, and you just post it.

[17:21]And the author will be so happy.

[17:22]Okay, I can do that.

[17:24]I read one of my new favorite books of all time

[17:27]is called Wellness by Nathan Hill, and I loved that book.

[17:32]And I've recommended it to so many people.

[17:34]I just thought it was so incredible.

[17:36]And then obviously, Demon Copperhead was totally life changing.

[17:41]I loved that book so much.

[17:43]Those two really stand out in the last couple years

[17:45]of like books that I keep on my shelf.

[17:48]I have Barbara King-Suller on this podcast too.

[17:51]You can listen.

[17:52]See how amazing it is.

[17:52]I'm going to.

[17:53]I'm going to the third daughter.

[17:57]Like the only person who hasn't read the poison

[17:59]would Bible, and that's next on the list.

[18:01]That's on my pile right now.

[18:03]I will not tell anybody.

[18:04]Okay, thank you.

[18:05]Except for I'm telling everybody.

[18:06]Definitely.

[18:07]Oh my gosh, I love that.

[18:11]Have you ever tried writing?

[18:12]I know you have your 42 diaries or whatever,

[18:14]but have you ever thought about aside from the book,

[18:17]the memoir, but like, you have fiction.

[18:19]It's like, I mean, we're fiction.

[18:20]You know what's funny is that my friend Janet,

[18:23]my best friend Janet, and I a few years ago,

[18:26]like 2018, I think, we wrote a novel together.

[18:30]And we wrote it.

[18:32]We worked on it really hard.

[18:34]We took it out once to some publishers.

[18:38]And everyone passed on it.

[18:40]And then the pandemic happened.

[18:42]And then we decided to like pull it out

[18:45]and see if maybe we could revamp it

[18:47]and give it some like fresh thoughts, fresh ideas.

[18:51]And so we both reread it

[18:53]and had a meeting about it.

[18:55]And we both decided that we didn't love it at all.

[19:03]That is just like this really fun thing

[19:04]that we did together.

[19:05]Maybe there's like another story we wanna tell,

[19:08]but I was kind of proud of us actually

[19:10]for being willing to like walk away.

[19:12]It's like editing a movie like,

[19:13]sometimes you just have to be like,

[19:15]that scene is great, but it's not gonna work.

[19:18]It's not gonna tell the story.

[19:19]And we loved our book.

[19:20]We were so happy we did it.

[19:22]It was a super fun thing to do together,

[19:24]but no, it was not, it's not the one.

[19:27]Of course, I fantasize about writing the great American novel.

[19:31]I fantasize about writing the great American novella,

[19:33]to be honest, but I don't know if I ever will.

[19:36]I mean, in order to write, you have to write.

[19:39]So that's the thing I don't do.

[19:41]I read, but I don't.

[19:43]And I think of, I love Stephen King's book on writing

[19:47]where he just talks about, you know,

[19:48]like, have that schedule.

[19:50]I'm sure we've all read Bird by Bird.

[19:52]And like, you know, just sit down.

[19:53]You just gotta do it.

[19:54]And like, and one of my old college girlfriends

[19:58]was like, well, are you writing every day?

[20:00]I'm like, no. And she's like, yeah, then you don't want to write a book.

[20:02]And I was like, all right, I guess I don't.

[20:06]Or maybe not right now, but I think that there's no expiration date. Fair fair.

[20:12]And you did say that you might want to write a whole thing because no one would

[20:15]believe your relationship with your, your husband and his ex wife and all of that.

[20:21]I know. So that sounds like you have some fodder left to write.

[20:24]There's a little something left in there. Yeah.

[20:26]You were actually so funny about, I shouldn't say actually.

[20:30]You were so funny about being a stepmom and through all the indignities

[20:35]about parenting in general and now you can put all this effort into anything

[20:39]like a meal or whatever and have it not be repaid.

[20:44]And I feel like grace in the movie also puts forth so much effort,

[20:48]which is not really acknowledged, certainly not by the community at first.

[20:51]No, not by the kids.

[20:52]Everything feels very thankless.

[20:54]So how do you get through a time where you feel like you're just like giving so

[20:57]much and not getting a lot in return?

[21:00]Yeah, I have, I have an image in my head of a piggy bank.

[21:06]And I have an image of like putting money into a piggy bank.

[21:10]And that while you're not spending this money now, it's like all sitting there.

[21:16]It's saving.

[21:17]It's like, it's there for a rainy day.

[21:20]Like when you're doing things like that at the time, feel thankless.

[21:24]Like what you don't realize is that you're just like, you're putting money

[21:27]in a savings account that is compounding interest.

[21:30]You know what I mean?

[21:31]Like you're making more money on your money.

[21:33]And that's what that's kind of what I think in some ways parenting is.

[21:39]Like you put in the time, you put in the hours, you do your 10,000 hours

[21:45]with your kids, you know, you love them more than anything.

[21:47]You're obsessed with them.

[21:49]Like it's probably going to come back to you at the end.

[21:53]You know, like it's never a bad thing.

[21:55]It's never a bad thing to like to just love without requiring anything in return.

[22:02]And it makes you like, I don't know, it's beautiful.

[22:05]That's the one beautiful thing about I think parenting.

[22:09]And like now my stepkids are in their 20s.

[22:11]And it's like since I wrote that book, you know,

[22:14]it's been a really long time.

[22:16]Like they're their own people now.

[22:18]And like, I feel like I'm getting all of it back.

[22:22]I'm like getting so much love back.

[22:25]I'm getting time back.

[22:26]I mean, they make time for me just like, I made time for them.

[22:30]And I know that's not always the case, but I feel like, you know, maybe we'll look.

[22:39]We're all obsessed with instant gratification.

[22:42]We live in a society where you put it in and you get it back.

[22:45]You get it back.

[22:46]And so like human relationships, regardless of the relationship, like human kindness,

[22:52]it's not instant gratification, you know?

[22:55]Like you just have to do it.

[22:57]And I think like seeing a movie like our movie and watching like how the decision was made

[23:07]that these kids were bad.

[23:09]And like that's just, that's it.

[23:11]Like people like one of the beautiful stories in this movie is like opening your eyes

[23:16]and like allowing something in that you didn't think was there before, you know?

[23:19]But like, you have to like put the time in with people so that they will give you

[23:25]like who they really are.

[23:27]I love that.

[23:28]That's really nice.

[23:29]Thanks.

[23:29]And be open to new perspectives on the old stories.

[23:31]Yeah, back to the fear.

[23:33]We can't be so afraid of like of everything in the other and be open, you know?

[23:38]Like whether you're afraid or not to just be open to hearing what's going on, the story,

[23:43]like what was soccer practice like tonight?

[23:47]Like how was that meeting at work, honey?

[23:49]You know?

[23:49]Like being open.

[23:51]Yeah.

[23:52]Just like the pulling open of the card catalog in the movie,

[23:55]which was such a lovely throwback to those times, you know?

[23:59]By the way, I didn't even think it was like a throwback.

[24:02]I was like, oh yeah.

[24:03]And I'm like, all right.

[24:08]It's been so warm this year.

[24:09]I actually was feeling like winter itself was a throwback.

[24:11]Like, oh, remember?

[24:12]I like the cardwood skid.

[24:13]I know, I know, I know.

[24:17]Well, the power of books is sort of so pervasive in this movie.

[24:20]The fact that it was based on a book.

[24:22]The books, the story of the Bible, the story.

[24:25]That would be interpreted everything.

[24:27]So it's fitting that you are such a book lover in the midst of all of it.

[24:33]All right, last question.

[24:34]Like when, if you had like a week to yourself,

[24:38]how many books do you think you could go through?

[24:39]Like a full week, like seven days?

[24:42]Yeah, like you're going to, I don't know, wherever you love to go.

[24:44]I think five.

[24:47]Okay.

[24:47]I think five.

[24:49]I mean, maybe not, like maybe not the covenant of water.

[24:53]Like if I was going to bring that, then I would say three.

[24:57]But like average size books, five.

[25:00]Amazing.

[25:01]Yeah.

[25:02]Okay.

[25:03]Well, do you have any advice for people getting through the holiday season this year?

[25:08]Oh, please, please, please take some time for yourself.

[25:11]It's really important.

[25:13]Even if you go to the bathroom and lock the door and set the time

[25:15]on your phone for five minutes and just sit on the floor.

[25:18]Just take a breath and like everything goes by so fast.

[25:23]Let's really enjoy each other.

[25:26]Let's love each other.

[25:27]Let's love strangers.

[25:29]Let's drive the speed limit and use our blinkers and uber if we're going to have eggnog

[25:35]and like do all the safety things so that we can just like take really good care of ourselves,

[25:41]take care of each other and and like not rush through it.

[25:46]I love that.

[25:47]That was great advice.

[25:48]Thank you.

[25:49]Now I feel like I'm just like on to look at a little spa.

[25:51]A little bit.

[25:52]No, I'm going to take a deep breath and feel better about everything.

[25:55]Yeah.

[25:56]So thank you so much.

[25:57]Thanks for coming on momstone time treat books and keep reading.

[26:00]I love it.

[26:00]Thank you.

[26:01]I'll see you at book club.

[26:02]Okay.

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