Chelsea Handler, I'LL HAVE WHAT SHE'S HAVING
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[0:44]Chelsea Handler is the author of All Have What She's Having.
[0:48]Chelsea is a comedian, television host, 6th time, New York Times, best-selling author, and
[0:53]advocate, whose humor and candor have established her as one of the most celebrated voices
[0:58]in entertainment and pop culture.
[1:01]Here a strong seven-year run, as the host of Ease top-rated Chelsea lately, a ten-year
[1:05]in which she was the only female, late-night talk show host on air.
[1:09]She launched her documentary series, Chelsea Does, followed by her talk show, Chelsea
[1:13]On Netflix, in 2016.
[1:15]She has penned six New York Times best-selling books, five of which have reached number
[1:20]one, including 2019's Life Will Be the Death of Me.
[1:23]Her upcoming seventh book, A New Memoir in Essays, I'll Have What She's Having, will
[1:28]publish February 25th, 2025.
[1:30]In 2021, she launched her iHeart Radio Advice Podcast, Dear Chelsea, and embarked on
[1:35]the vaccinated and horny tour, bringing her sensational stand-up set to over 90 cities
[1:40]with 115 shows across North America and winning the Comedy Act of 2021 at the People's
[1:45]Choice Awards.
[1:46]Following the success of her 2020 HBO Max Comedy Special Evolution, which earned Chelsea
[1:51]a Grammy nomination for Best Comedy Album, she made her return to Netflix with her critically
[1:56]acclaimed 2022 Comedy Special Revolution.
[1:59]Chandler is currently on her stand-up tour, Chelsea Handler Live, and recently kicked
[2:03]off her Las Vegas residency, Chelsea at the Chelsea, at the Cosmopolitan, make history
[2:09]as the venue's first female comedian residency.
[2:12]Welcome, Chelsea.
[2:13]Thank you so much for coming on totally booked to talk about I'll Have What She's Having.
[2:17]Congratulations.
[2:18]Thank you.
[2:19]Thank you.
[2:20]Nice to meet you.
[2:21]Nice to meet you.
[2:22]Okay.
[2:23]Tell listeners what this book is about, please.
[2:25]I think this book is about infusing optimism and times of despair or unease while also
[2:34]serving as a reminder for women, especially, to check in with ourselves and make sure that
[2:43]we are turning into the women that we wanted to become.
[2:47]I love that you manifested your whole life when you were younger.
[2:51]Like this is it.
[2:52]This is who I want to be.
[2:53]Let's see how I can make this happen.
[2:55]I'll always, it is like, I want to be a teacher.
[2:57]I want to be a writer.
[2:58]Anyway, pretty impressive.
[3:00]Thank you.
[3:01]Thank you.
[3:02]I think that, you know, especially now what we're experiencing as a country and just
[3:08]this backlash against women, I have no doubt in us.
[3:12]You know, I have no misgivings about how powerful women are and we are in this situation
[3:16]right now because of that power and because of the threat that that serves up to people
[3:20]who can't deal with, you know, women being powerful.
[3:23]But we're not going anywhere.
[3:25]So this is just another bump in the road because women are powerful.
[3:28]We are the source of almost everything and we're so smart.
[3:33]And like we're finally figuring that out as a collective, I think.
[3:37]And while the backdrop is not pretty, I'm very optimistic about what is to come.
[3:43]Well, speaking of powerful women, you early in the book have a meeting with Jane Fonda,
[3:49]who gives you some rather unsavory feedback about your behavior, which you take very
[3:53]well and actually use to reexamine yourself and change.
[3:57]Tell me about that and how you can take advice and not be defensive.
[4:03]Well, learned in therapy.
[4:05]One of the first things I've learned in therapy was about being defensive and if you
[4:08]are being defensive, you're usually wrong, like if you're right, you don't have to defend
[4:12]yourself.
[4:13]You don't care.
[4:14]You know the truth.
[4:15]You know the sky is blue, the eyes are blue, that, you know, the laundry, like the washing
[4:19]machine is going.
[4:20]I know all of those things to be true.
[4:22]So like, if you're right, you're right, you know, you like, you know, you don't have
[4:26]to defend yourself and defending yourself also makes you lose control, right?
[4:31]Because you're like, no, I did, I did do that.
[4:33]I did like, it's kind of just a lose, lose situation.
[4:38]So and then also when someone's telling you something, like all you can say is thank
[4:41]you.
[4:42]And if they're completely out of their tree and they're not making, like they're not saying
[4:45]something that you believe to be true, then who cares anyway?
[4:49]Like it only matters if it is true.
[4:52]It's easier to hear that, but less easy to internalize.
[4:55]Yeah.
[4:56]Yeah.
[4:57]And I mean, people are always assuming that I have no, you know, that I have so guarded
[5:02]or protected.
[5:03]Like I just, everything rolls off my back or, you know, that I'm so confident that people
[5:08]are we saying, where do you get your confidence from?
[5:09]I'm like, where's your confidence?
[5:11]Where's your confidence?
[5:12]We should all be confident.
[5:13]We should be instilling that in each other.
[5:15]You know, I want all of us to be confident.
[5:17]I want all of our young women that are coming up in this world to experience the confidence
[5:21]that I feel every day from your mouth to God's ears.
[5:24]Let's just say that.
[5:25]I hope that happens too.
[5:26]That would be amazing.
[5:28]You've served as a role model for a lot of people yourself, oopsie, whoopsie, or I don't
[5:33]know.
[5:34]I'm probably getting their day to try.
[5:35]Oopsie, whoopsie, whoopsie, whoopsie, whoopsie.
[5:37]Yes.
[5:38]And that was so nice.
[5:39]So you date, you can tell the story of it in the book.
[5:41]You were dating.
[5:42]Someone got quite attached to his kids.
[5:43]You were so helpful to them.
[5:45]You feel devoid in their lives and maintain this relationship with them for so long.
[5:50]Talk a little bit about that and stepping into this role, which you, funnily enough, call
[5:54]yourself father in this dynamic, but talk about that role and inherited family.
[5:59]Well, there are so many people, women, and people would never know how many children there
[6:03]are in my life.
[6:04]How many children that I'm really close to?
[6:07]How many children that are, I mean, there's lots of them.
[6:10]And not just my nieces and nephews, random, you know, random children.
[6:15]And so I kind of found myself, you know, I've never wanted a baby, but people automatically
[6:21]assume if you don't want a child or that you don't like children and so that I don't
[6:25]like children.
[6:26]I just don't want one.
[6:27]It's not like a pastrami sandwich.
[6:30]I'm not interested.
[6:31]You know, I can appreciate them, you know, good, go get one, but not for me.
[6:36]Like that message alone is now becoming loud or people are saying and expressing, yes,
[6:41]I don't want to have a child.
[6:42]That's not for me.
[6:43]I don't want to be married.
[6:45]These can be antiquated notions, you know, when you break them all down, what are all
[6:49]these institutions about?
[6:50]It's kind of all pretty stupid.
[6:53]So I want to like, you know, get after life and really impact the young people around
[6:58]me to feel and instill in them the way that, you know, that way that I feel about the
[7:03]world, which is anything is possible.
[7:06]And you, and to have an impact on young people's lives, like whoopsie, whoopsie, noopsie,
[7:10]like to be there for them and to want them, want my attention is basically all I need.
[7:15]If you need me, I'm coming.
[7:17]But if you don't need me, great, but, you know, like to be a service to young people
[7:22]and the amount of young people I'm able to whose lives I'm able to impact because I didn't
[7:27]have my own children, because I don't have a family of my own to focus on has allowed
[7:32]me to grow so much and has given me so much more, you know, purpose and joy than I would
[7:39]have ever hoped to feel as a person who never had children.
[7:42]Well, I just, I just love that.
[7:45]I mean, babies as pastrami sandwiches, who knew, right?
[7:49]Who knew?
[7:51]You tell a lot of stories in the book about different situations you find yourself in that
[7:55]are funny and sad and all the things, what of which, which I guess could be construed
[8:01]as both in given your points of view, but going to Ken and Bunkport where other members
[8:06]of your family were like, yes, you have to go if you've gotten this invitation and
[8:10]meeting the former president and while you're, you know, having edibles and whatever,
[8:15]like, you know, wearing sunglasses and trying to see him for who he is as a man and not
[8:20]necessarily his beliefs and all of that, like, tell me a little bit about that story and
[8:24]why you put it in.
[8:26]I put it in because it was just one more example of the ridiculous circumstances I find
[8:30]myself in all the time.
[8:32]Any time my family's with me, they're like, oh my God, you know, it's only because
[8:36]of you that these things happen.
[8:38]I'm like, yeah, the good and the bad.
[8:40]So going to Ken and Bunkport was not on my wishlist because of my political leanings.
[8:46]I just was not interested in that.
[8:48]And I'm friends with his daughter Barbara Bush, who is featured in the book and they invited
[8:53]our family and friends to go over there to play pickleball.
[8:56]Another activity I'm not interested in.
[8:59]And I was coerced by my siblings who were like, don't take this opportunity away from
[9:05]us, jealousy.
[9:06]We are going to Ken and Bunkport with or without you.
[9:08]I wanted to say good luck getting in without me, but we went and I, in order to subdue
[9:15]my personality, something else I learned through therapy is to drug myself.
[9:20]Like I have to, if I'm going to deal with a person that I find difficult, I need to
[9:23]take an edible and then I can deal with them.
[9:25]Like I know to prepare myself for situations in ways in which I didn't before.
[9:30]So like you take out the irritation of the exchange and you're kinder and nicer to the
[9:34]person.
[9:35]So it's a win-win.
[9:37]So and that's just an alternative to cognitive behavioral therapy.
[9:40]This is exactly, for people who don't have time, take an edible.
[9:47]So yes, I went over there and I had taken three edibles.
[9:50]That's how much I needed to make sure that I didn't, you know, confront him about anything
[9:54]on his property.
[9:56]Like I don't want to be like that.
[9:58]So and I have an idea.
[10:00]have a habit and a history of outbursts.
[10:03]So I knew that I had to really rained it, you know?
[10:07]So I did take three edibles when I got there.
[10:09]Barbara Lye, Barbara Bush told me
[10:11]he would be getting a massage and then I would not meet him.
[10:14]And I met him within five minutes
[10:15]of being on the pickleball court.
[10:16]And I was, yes, it was a ridiculous situation.
[10:22]And then he showed me his personal painting collection
[10:24]and asked me to take my sunglasses off.
[10:27]And then I had to reveal to him that I was toned.
[10:30]Oh my gosh.
[10:31]So you have these moments that few people in the world have.
[10:35]And then you flip to really just reveling in isolation
[10:42]and how great it can feel to be alone
[10:44]and how you've learned to be alone
[10:46]and how when you got to Canada to be in Whistler,
[10:49]you didn't mind the mandatory time to just read
[10:52]and hang out in your underwear or whatever.
[10:54]Tell me about that and learning to accept to be alone
[10:57]and all of that.
[10:59]Well, I think that it's combined
[11:01]because the whole point of the Bush story also
[11:03]like the kind of sub story to that is that it is another example
[11:08]of always remaining who you are,
[11:09]no matter what circumstances you are in.
[11:11]Like I was going to always remain true to myself.
[11:15]So that meant taking three edibles
[11:18]and also telling everybody when, you know,
[11:21]like being truthful about it.
[11:23]Like remaining who you are in situations,
[11:27]like that most people in the world don't get to experience.
[11:30]I think it's another thing that we should all aim
[11:32]to be doing is being ourselves more.
[11:35]And I think the reason you get to find out who you are
[11:38]is by spending time alone.
[11:40]Like my time in Whistler that you were just referring to
[11:43]was like the first period of time
[11:44]where I was an adult and I could do just what I want
[11:46]when I wanted no one,
[11:49]even though I can kind of do that,
[11:50]I just have so many responsibilities elsewhere.
[11:53]So I was up here just behaving like however I wanted
[11:56]and I was just walking around my underwear,
[11:59]smoking weed.
[12:00]I read like 30 books in two weeks.
[12:02]I read so many books.
[12:04]And I was talking the time of my life.
[12:06]I was quarantining for two weeks.
[12:07]So that's why I read so many books
[12:09]in that short amount of time.
[12:11]And then I just got up and skied for like 50 days
[12:14]in a row after.
[12:15]And it just felt like I got introduced to myself.
[12:21]Okay, I love that.
[12:23]You can hear your internal voice talking to you, right?
[12:26]When you tell us about skiing and having,
[12:28]you're like, why am I risking my life
[12:30]to chase after two elderly women
[12:33]who are so much faster than me skiing?
[12:35]Like what am I doing?
[12:36]And we all have those moments, right?
[12:37]Like, okay, I'm in this competitive situation.
[12:41]But like what am I, I don't even wanna be
[12:43]in this competitive situation.
[12:44]Can't I just stop?
[12:45]How do you think you're able aside from obviously
[12:49]this great therapist who everybody listening to this
[12:51]is gonna wanna have his therapist
[12:53]after this?
[12:53]But how do you think for people who it's harder for it
[12:56]to sort of see themselves from the outside
[12:58]and step aside and say like, wait a minute,
[13:00]look at my behavior, right?
[13:02]It's a skill that you have to learn.
[13:04]Not to be so in it.
[13:06]Self-awareness, like actually thinking
[13:08]about how you're coming across rather than just
[13:10]coming across, like considering other people's reactions
[13:15]to you was something I never really did for so long.
[13:17]So that was kind of a wake up call, you know?
[13:20]And I think for regular people, it's just more listening
[13:25]unless talking.
[13:26]Like there was a period of time
[13:27]where I just didn't really have much to say
[13:28]because I was just watching everything.
[13:31]And it was pretty, you know, it wasn't necessarily fun.
[13:35]But the gift of self-awareness is like the best gift
[13:38]you can give yourself.
[13:39]So it's important A to be alone.
[13:41]It's important to be alone with uncomfortable feelings
[13:43]and not try to have somebody else fix them or heal them.
[13:47]It's important for you to go through emotions
[13:49]and know that when you come out, you're going to be OK.
[13:52]And it's important for all women to know
[13:53]that right when they're about to go through a difficult situation
[13:56]that they're going to get through it
[13:58]and there's going to be a rainbow on the other side.
[14:00]I promise you, like we all need to know that.
[14:04]And I think you get that from spending time alone
[14:06]and actually practicing like being really into yourself
[14:11]in a way of generous experience.
[14:13]Not in a way that is you have your head up your ass
[14:15]in a way that it allows you to give so much more
[14:17]to other people because then you're so confident
[14:20]and solid that you're able to spread love and joy
[14:23]and like really kind of light people up when they're down
[14:26]and pick people up.
[14:27]Like that's a role that I take kind of seriously.
[14:30]Not kind of, I mean, it takes seriously.
[14:32]Like I really do.
[14:34]It makes me proud to be a woman that will help another woman
[14:37]when they're in despair or they're distraught
[14:39]or they're going through something difficult.
[14:41]And I think we're all just realizing how important
[14:46]and not just realizing.
[14:48]But definitely in my lifetime,
[14:49]it feels like a moment where women are really recognizing
[14:52]the power that we have and how important it is
[14:56]to uplift each other.
[14:57]And yeah, so I think that all comes from spending time alone.
[15:01]Amazing.
[15:02]I don't know.
[15:03]When I spend time alone in Reed,
[15:04]I don't necessarily come out with a new vantage point.
[15:06]So this is good.
[15:07]This is maybe it has to be in a ski location
[15:09]for it to really work.
[15:10]Well, it'd be intentional that you really like want to get,
[15:14]you kind, you know what I mean, you have to get uncomfortable
[15:16]with yourself.
[15:17]You have to be uncomfortable to get really comfortable.
[15:20]So it's like you have to be alone
[15:22]and you have to have conversations
[15:24]that are not necessarily, you know,
[15:27]like you don't want to have certain conversations.
[15:29]But it's important too.
[15:30]Because anything you can say, you can say with love,
[15:34]you don't have not everything has to be a conflict.
[15:37]And I think there's just so many better.
[15:39]Now I spend a little bit too much time alone.
[15:41]I'm like, my friends will be like, okay.
[15:44]I'll tonight I'm like, okay, but I have to be on my nine.
[15:47]Like I feel like I'm, when I'm in Whistler,
[15:49]I feel like I'm camping, you know,
[15:50]I'm just like so cozy.
[15:52]I just want to get into bed all the time.
[15:54]But yeah, I think it's very important to be alone.
[15:57]Amazing.
[15:58]So what do you get from writing books?
[16:01]Like what are some of the biggest perks?
[16:03]Why do you keep writing books?
[16:04]What is it?
[16:05]Why this book?
[16:06]Like what do you get from it?
[16:07]Well, they're all different.
[16:08]I mean, I started writing books that were just funny essays.
[16:11]And then my last book got more serious.
[16:13]I mean, it's still funny,
[16:14]but there's serious parts to it in a serious through line.
[16:17]And then this book was very reflective.
[16:20]And I think what I get out of it is a different
[16:25]with each book.
[16:26]I think this book I'm going to get a lot.
[16:29]I think I'm hitting people at the right time
[16:30]with what I want to say.
[16:32]And if I didn't have anything to say,
[16:34]I wouldn't say anything like now, at least I could say that.
[16:39]I wouldn't say anything at all
[16:40]because I had this book who was,
[16:41]I got this book to you when I was dating Joe Kooray
[16:44]and I had this very public love affair.
[16:46]And everyone was just so happy for us.
[16:49]And so this editor was like,
[16:50]we would love for you.
[16:51]Chelsea handled it right a book about falling in love.
[16:53]Like it's very unexpected.
[16:55]It's very public facing.
[16:57]And I was like, sure, no problem.
[16:58]But then we broke up.
[17:00]And I was like, oh, whoopsie, doodle.
[17:02]Now, and then I was like, okay,
[17:03]well, maybe I can write a book about breaking up
[17:05]because kind of everything you and I have been talking about
[17:09]is stuff that I was applying to that breakup.
[17:12]Like I handled it so well.
[17:13]Like I didn't yell or scream.
[17:15]There was no art.
[17:16]It was just like this is an adult decision.
[17:18]I have to choose me right now.
[17:21]I didn't want to break up
[17:22]but you're giving me no choice.
[17:23]Like I have to break up with you now.
[17:25]And I'm going to be fine.
[17:26]Like all of the things that we said earlier
[17:29]was that situation.
[17:31]I was able to apply to that.
[17:32]But that book was based on me falling in love.
[17:35]And then it became, oh, why don't you write a book
[17:38]about breaking up?
[17:39]And I was like, I don't really want to write a book
[17:41]about breaking up.
[17:42]That's not, you know.
[17:43]And then as time went on,
[17:44]I was like, that's a part of my story
[17:47]but that's not the story.
[17:49]Like that relationship was going to be its own book.
[17:52]That relationship turns out to be just a chapter.
[17:55]And by the way, I feel like you handled that.
[17:57]So tastefully.
[17:58]You were like, I'm not going to go into everything.
[18:00]Here's what you, the reader need to know
[18:02]and like get out of my business.
[18:05]Yeah.
[18:05]So that was a new too.
[18:07]Yes, boundaries.
[18:09]These are very important, right?
[18:11]Yeah, I mean, so for this book, the reasoning,
[18:14]like there was all that kind of context to go along with it.
[18:18]And then I think I feel sort of responsible to women
[18:23]and want to give them some hope and like some an injection
[18:29]of, you know, positivity and like get after it.
[18:35]Don't lose hope and like be good to yourself.
[18:38]You know, that's all become the women that we want to be.
[18:41]I should know this but have you given like a commencement
[18:43]address yet at a college?
[18:45]No, I have no, oh, yes, well something like that.
[18:47]I think something like that, yes.
[18:49]I feel like that is in your future.
[18:50]That's, I'm just predicting that right now.
[18:52]Oh, love that.
[18:53]I hope you're my next phase.
[18:56]I'll be your next phase.
[18:57]I love it.
[18:58]Do you feel pressure to be funny?
[19:01]I'll be like, what if you don't feel funny?
[19:03]Like do you feel like you need to perform for people?
[19:05]Or do you, can you just like?
[19:07]No, I don't.
[19:08]I mean, I used to, I think, but I don't anymore.
[19:11]I mean, I don't perform.
[19:14]No, I mean, I have a good time and I'm much quieter
[19:18]than I used to be in the sense of like, you know, partying
[19:21]and being out with your friends and stuff.
[19:23]Like that was allowed, the louder lifestyle
[19:25]than what I'm up to these days.
[19:27]But yeah, I mean, I think it's just that you're,
[19:32]you just become more who you are, right?
[19:35]Like all the way I'm leaning into who you are
[19:37]and you're not apologizing for any of it.
[19:40]And that's kind of how I feel and how I felt
[19:43]for quite some time without understanding
[19:46]like the heft behind it.
[19:48]Got it.
[19:49]Amazing.
[19:50]So aside from being a commencement speaker,
[19:52]what else do you think is gonna be in your future after this book?
[19:56]Do you have other plans?
[19:57]Are there exciting ventures coming?
[19:59]You, I have some.
[20:00]plans, but I can't really announce anything yet. All I can announce is that I have another
[20:03]Netflix special coming out, a new Netflix special that comes out on March 25th. So that will be
[20:08]one month after my book comes out. And yes, I have a lot of stuff in the works, but nothing
[20:12]that I can, I'm going to do some different stuff this year. I'm doing a European tour,
[20:17]which I haven't done in many years, which I'm excited about, but that's just like four weeks
[20:21]going all through Western Europe. And then I am going to go, I have my Vegas residency,
[20:28]I do Vegas once a month. So I have that. But other than that, I'm going to do stuff that
[20:32]I've never done before. So I'm excited to share that, but I can't right now. Okay. Let's
[20:37]okay. We got like a little teaser and that's exciting. My coffee. I don't know, it's very
[20:43]about it. Do you find when you're just hanging out with friends, are you often giving advice or is it
[20:48]in just at certain points? Or is it because I feel like you have a lot of advice to give and a lot
[20:53]of insights to share? Is it that kind of dynamic with your friends?
[20:57]Oh, yes, a lot of them it is, but a lot of them, it's just stupid, funny and silly. Like,
[21:01]we're not really talking about anything serious, but I'm definitely somebody who gives their opinion
[21:07]on things. And yes, I think most people just need a little boost. Like my podcast,
[21:13]that I do is callers calling in for advice. So that's, that's been speech right there.
[21:18]That's true. Yeah, you could just exit from that. Yeah, I'll just take your transcripts,
[21:21]and I'll just then went over, you know, you could put it in chat to you videos and things.
[21:25]Have it already. Yeah. I mean, it's quite accurate. What's something that is a misconception
[21:30]about you that's really irritating? I really wouldn't know. Okay. And what about advice for aspiring
[21:36]authors? Oh, just to, at first of all, anyone can write a book. We've shown that that's been
[21:41]demonstrated time and time again. So you can definitely do it. It's a matter of actually sitting down
[21:46]and doing it. And you have to write to write. That's it. You have to sit down and write,
[21:52]and then you're going to write more, and then you're going to write more. And then you're going
[21:56]to have something. And it's going to take a long time. And it's going to be like, but you're creating
[22:01]something. And that's what creating something is. It's like a two steps forward, three steps back,
[22:06]and then success. That you also made that sound very easy, which is great.
[22:11]Everything. It's like in the palm of my hand after this, I love it. And just quickly, like what
[22:16]books are you loving or favorite books of all time or books that make you laugh or any books
[22:21]to recommend? Well, thanks. Is it Cersei or Cirque? I think Cersei, right? Is that the great
[22:26]by Madeline Miller? Is it Cersei? Cersei. Yeah. The House of Mirth is one of my favorite books ever.
[22:31]I love that book. Oh, my God. It's so timeless. I read that book by Kristin Hannah a few years ago,
[22:37]The Great Alone. I gave not to have you read that. I have. Yes. Yeah. That's like a subject matter.
[22:43]I have absolutely zero interest on multiple levels, but I was turning every single page. Like,
[22:48]oh, my God. What is going to happen next? I don't know. The Great Alone. That seems like it could
[22:52]be a subtitle for some of the chapters of your book. Well, well, exactly. That would be a title.
[22:58]And what else have I read that has like blown me away? I was pretty impressed with
[23:05]on Matthew McConaughey's book, Green Lights. Yep. I was like, Oh, wow. This guy is pretty deep,
[23:11]you know. So I remember reading that a couple of years ago. I was having him on my podcast. So
[23:16]I read it in like 24 hours. And that was great. Yeah. But right now, I'm reading something called
[23:22]The Other Einstein, which is about Einstein's wife. But it's a fiction. So
[23:27]Very cool. Yeah. I had Matthew McConaughey on the podcast. And I spent like a couple of weeks in
[23:33]summer listening to the audiobook anytime I drove my kids to camp. And I was like,
[23:36]look, this makes this really pleasant. Yeah. Having the voice anyway. Okay. Well, Chelsea,
[23:42]thank you so much for coming on. And all of your advice and the way you're advocating for
[23:48]other women is really, really amazing and much needed. So thank you for that. And, you know, the advice
[23:54]to be yourself. It's pretty awesome. Oh, awesome. Thank you so much. It was so nice to meet you.
[23:59]Nice to meet you too. Okay. Take care. Bye bye. Thank you for listening to totally booked with Zibi,
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