Dr. Zelana Montminy, FINDING FOCUS: Own Your Attention in an Age of Distraction
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[0:45]Dr. Zelana Montmani is the author of Finding Focus, Own Your Attention in an Age of
[0:49]Distraction.
[0:50]She is a leading behavioral scientist, a claim author, and one of Maria Shriver's architects
[0:55]of change.
[0:56]With the focus on resilience, mental health, and human potential, Dr. Montmani is transforming
[1:01]how individuals and organizations navigate the modern world of constant distractions
[1:05]and rising stress.
[1:08]Drawing from the latest research in behavioral science and psychology, Dr. Montmani offers
[1:12]practical, actionable strategies for thriving in an ever-evolving world.
[1:16]Her expertise is sought after by a myriad of industry leaders from Fortune 500 giants
[1:21]like American Express, Coca-Cola, and Estee Lauder to academic institutions such as UCLA
[1:26]and non-profits, including the Drug Enforcement Agency and Big Brother, Big Sister, she
[1:31]empowers individuals and organizations alike.
[1:34]Her first book, 21 Days to Resilience, offers a structured science-backed pathway to mental
[1:40]strength and well-being.
[1:43]Her work has garnered widespread attention from major media outlets, including the
[1:46]Today Show Good Morning America, Mind Body Green, and Psychology Today where she regularly
[1:51]shares her expertise on building unshakeable resilience and mastering focus.
[1:56]Welcome, Dr. Zilana.
[1:58]Thank you so much for coming on Totally Book with Zibi to discuss your latest book, Finding Focus,
[2:04]which I have to say, I read part of it with my son next to me like trying to get my attention
[2:09]and I'm like, oh my gosh, she's literally writing about her being distracted and trying
[2:13]to get her kid getting her attention and I'm like reading the book and being distracted
[2:18]by it, so I don't know if it felt very meta to me, but anyway, I love it, I love it.
[2:22]Well, that isn't that what we're all dealing with now, I don't think it's exactly.
[2:27]Tell listeners about the book.
[2:29]Well, I mean, the book really is less a productivity book and more about just what it
[2:34]means to be human in today's day and age and I really feel like the most valuable resource
[2:41]now isn't time, it's really our attention and it's completely getting hijacked by notifications
[2:47]and what you're talking about, like constant things happening and we're drowning in
[2:52]non-stop distractions and we are all feeling this so deeply and I keep hearing clients
[2:58]and everyone's saying, I'm so burnt out, I'm anxious, I'm this, I'm that and I really
[3:02]feel like at the core of it all is our inability to sustain focus and we just are, you
[3:09]know, relentlessly pulled in so many different directions and the cultural noise and everything
[3:13]happening that our brain just can't really sort of digest and so it's really much more
[3:21]than just stealing our time.
[3:23]Our lack of focus is more about sort of just what it's doing to our relationships, our
[3:29]relationship with each other, ourselves, our mental health and our ability to really live
[3:34]with intention.
[3:35]So that's really what the book speaks to the most.
[3:38]You coined this razor, I hadn't heard it before, like focused themes, like one of the things
[3:42]that take your attention from you regularly and there are just so many of them but I feel
[3:48]like part of your book is getting us to at least pay attention to the fact that that is
[3:52]what they are, right, exactly and the world is really engineered in so many ways to do
[3:58]that to us.
[3:59]So it's really less about, you know, I mean, what it is what we sort of allow but it's
[4:05]not, I don't want people to feel ashamed about it because I feel like there's a little
[4:09]element of shame, like, oh, I'm triple, I'm triple screening, like, you know, I'm binge
[4:14]watching Netflix and buying groceries and emailing at the same time.
[4:18]And it's kind of this like quiet thing, but really it's like, we're just, was there
[4:23]something wrong with that?
[4:24]Dude, does everybody not do that?
[4:26]I think how else do we get it all done?
[4:28]Everybody does it, but is that really the way to function, does it really feel good?
[4:33]And I think we're seeing now, especially over the years as this is played out, it's not.
[4:38]It's really not and we're exhausted by it.
[4:41]We are just trying to, you know, swim against this massive current of, of, of distraction.
[4:47]And I think, you know, it's, it's, and it's not, yes, of course a big piece of this
[4:51]is devices, but it's really the way that we've sort of engineered our days and our, our
[4:55]life.
[4:56]I mean, everything feels so urgent.
[4:59]I mean, I don't know about you, but to me at least and to everyone I work with, it's
[5:03]like there's this, this false sense of urgency that wears on us constantly.
[5:09]And, and now we really live in this, like, in between state.
[5:12]We live, like, we're between our digital life and our physical life.
[5:16]And we're sort of like here and we're kind of grabbing it, everything, right?
[5:20]And trying to keep up to the text messages, the DMs, the, the emails, the real live
[5:25]people coming at us all the time.
[5:27]And then there's us.
[5:28]And it's like, wait, where does that leave me?
[5:31]And how do I even begin to be regulated within all of this?
[5:36]And that's really what the book speaks to and is sort of the antidote for.
[5:39]And you bring up early on, because ADHD and what is ADHD versus just what has happened
[5:46]to most everybody at this point with attention fragmentation, how do we know where the line
[5:53]is drawn?
[5:54]How do we cope with that?
[5:56]You know, I feel like everybody's always like, oh my gosh, I'm like, so ADHD, but they
[5:59]don't actually have ADHD, like, and how do you know, so yeah.
[6:04]And I think really like, if, if your inability to sustain focus goes beyond like the, the
[6:13]sort of the surface stuff that we're talking about and really impacts your work product.
[6:17]And you truly cannot sustain focus, even when you attune to it, it requires, you know,
[6:23]a deeper dive with a professional or a team to kind of look at that and figure that out
[6:27]for yourselves.
[6:28]I think that, you know, it's impossible to self diagnose in today's context.
[6:32]Because yes, we all struggle with attention for sure.
[6:36]And so, but it, but there really is, you know, separately a diagnosis and, and many do require
[6:41]medication.
[6:42]And that's, that's something different that, you know, I'm not speaking directly to
[6:46]in this book.
[6:47]It's really more for every single one of us who is constantly task switching is really
[6:52]who, who I speak to and certainly can be helpful for those of us with ADHD, but not specifically
[6:58]geared toward that entirely, you know.
[7:01]And I read part of this social post that you had that went viral and all the rest of
[7:05]it, but the ache are being awake.
[7:07]Is that okay?
[7:08]Yeah.
[7:09]Okay.
[7:10]The ache of being awake.
[7:11]I think I'm grieving, not a person, but a framework, a shared sense of decency of clarity
[7:17]of what's right and what's way off lately, everything feels a little untethered.
[7:22]And I don't think I'm the only one feeling it.
[7:24]This isn't burnout.
[7:25]It's heartbreak without a name.
[7:27]My gosh.
[7:28]Love that.
[7:29]Talk to me a little bit about that.
[7:32]That is, you know, me speaking to sort of what I, what I personally felt deep inside,
[7:37]but also clearly what everyone seems to be feeling.
[7:40]I mean, that reached millions and millions of people and resonated deeply.
[7:45]You know, I think that we are all dealing with some level of grief.
[7:51]And again, I think that we think of grief as like this major event in our life, whether
[7:55]we lose a person, a home, a place, like whatever it is.
[7:58]But we experience loss sort of on a human level all the time.
[8:03]And we don't really learn how to process it.
[8:06]We kind of, because we live this such a fast paced life and we're always struggling to
[8:11]keep up.
[8:12]We don't give ourselves those micro moments of integration.
[8:17]And I say that very specifically because it's not really like a lot of people have sort
[8:21]of talked about, well, I need to slow down.
[8:23]I need to just like plug out, I need to go take a break.
[8:26]I need to go on a vacation, whatever it is.
[8:28]I'm not, we don't always have time for that, right?
[8:30]We also don't necessarily have the financial means to do that.
[8:34]There are so many ways to process our losses and our feelings without necessarily taking
[8:42]these like huge time outs in our life, which just aren't sustainable because we still
[8:46]have to parent and work and function, right?
[8:48]So I want to kind of step away from that.
[8:50]And I really talk a lot more about, and this post speaks to the fact that, you know, it's
[8:54]about those little ways that we can integrate and process the things that we're feeling.
[9:00]And at first it comes, it has to do with being like aware of what we're struggling with,
[9:06]right?
[9:07]And the fact that the world feels really surreal right now.
[9:09]There's a lot to grieve, you know?
[9:12]And there's a lot, there's a lot of loss.
[9:14]There's a loss of also in this post and many posts that have spoken to so many.
[9:20]I talk a lot about sort of mourning the moral framework that we use that was just sort
[9:26]of a given, right?
[9:27]And so now it's like, what do we, what do we believe?
[9:30]Who do we trust?
[9:32]Like, what are we, what's our commonality anymore to being human?
[9:37]And so that's a lot of what this post is also speaking to.
[9:40]Oh my gosh.
[9:42]So what do we do once we've identified that, yes, you're 100% right?
[9:47]Our focus is fragmented.
[9:49]We can't even, it's rare to sustain a conversation.
[9:53]I feel sometimes that I've created this podcast so that I have an excuse to pay attention
[9:58]to one thing for at least 30 minutes.
[10:00]That's a day, right?
[10:01]Because it's uninterrupted and I can't, you know,
[10:04]because I do feel like we all crave it on some level too.
[10:08]But how do we get it in our lives?
[10:10]That we crave focus.
[10:12]We crave, yes, the limits of all the things
[10:17]that are frying us away.
[10:19]Well, and I love that you said that
[10:21]because our brain needs sustained focus
[10:24]in order to function and to thrive.
[10:26]And we've really walked away from that.
[10:27]And that's why so many of us find ourselves so exhausted
[10:31]and depleted constantly because it's not
[10:34]because of how much we're doing.
[10:36]It's really more about are we actually there
[10:39]when we're doing any of it, right?
[10:41]Are we just going through the motions?
[10:43]And our brain really needs that focus
[10:46]and the sustained attention in little snippets
[10:49]to do its best work.
[10:50]And we've lost touch with that.
[10:52]We've sort of glorified multitasking when, in fact,
[10:54]we're not really, that means we're not really doing
[10:56]anything that well or as well as we could be.
[11:00]And we've sort of created this myth of productivity
[11:03]and that's what makes us great and successful.
[11:05]And really, it's just a mask.
[11:08]It's a mask for us to not address
[11:10]like what we actually need to focus on.
[11:13]And so there's a lot to work with here.
[11:15]I think fundamentally it's much more
[11:20]than just managing your devices,
[11:21]which so many people love to speak to.
[11:23]And of course, there's an element of that.
[11:25]But the book really is more of a sort of scientifically
[11:30]backed map to coming back to understanding
[11:34]what the root causes are of your distraction
[11:36]because that's kind of where it starts
[11:37]is like, what do we really need to address?
[11:40]And then through tools that we often forget,
[11:43]like we're so focused on all of these hacks
[11:46]and wellness tricks and things,
[11:49]it's like let's just go back to the basics
[11:52]and simplify what it means to be human.
[11:55]You can do all the hacks in the world
[11:57]and all the red lights and all the green juices
[11:59]and all the things.
[12:00]But if you're not sleeping well
[12:02]and having like basic nutritional foundation
[12:07]and all of those things,
[12:09]like you won't be able to focus,
[12:11]you won't get your health back, right?
[12:14]So it's really about retraining the fundamentals too,
[12:18]which people sometimes are surprised by.
[12:21]But it matters, movement, those restorative breaks.
[12:25]And then also really big one is social connectivity,
[12:29]sort of reclaiming what it means to have friendships,
[12:32]like real friendships and going deeper
[12:34]than what social media makes us sort of feel
[12:38]is satisfying but really isn't.
[12:41]We have tons of connections online
[12:44]and through these groups probably
[12:46]that we belong to and all these different things
[12:48]but it's very, very surface.
[12:50]And it tricks our brain into thinking that we're okay
[12:53]and we have lots of friends but we really,
[12:56]we crave the depth and that's what we're glazing over
[13:00]and that's really costing us a lot.
[13:02]So I talk a lot about that
[13:04]and how to sort of focus on the social connectivity
[13:08]that we so desperately need.
[13:09]And really a lot of attention also comes down to training, right?
[13:14]Like we've trained our brain for distraction.
[13:16]We crave distraction because that's how our brain
[13:19]has learned to function and our brain is a muscle.
[13:21]And so what we practice really grows
[13:24]and those the neural plasticity, right?
[13:26]Those connections strengthen.
[13:28]So what we really need to do now is sort of retrain our brain
[13:34]with sort of the mental and emotional fitness
[13:37]of how to be attuned and intentionally attentive
[13:42]in little moments.
[13:43]And again, it's not, I'm not talking about
[13:46]for hours and hours and end.
[13:47]By the way, that's not human either.
[13:48]Like we can't actually do that successful.
[13:51]I remember a couple of years ago a friend came over
[13:54]with her husband and like the guys were off talking
[13:57]or something and she's like,
[13:58]I haven't even spent a minute with my husband.
[14:00]She's like, but you know, I did read somewhere
[14:03]that all you have to do is like have sustained eye contact
[14:06]for like 30 seconds and it'll change your relationship.
[14:10]She's like, so every day I just like have a timer
[14:13]and I look at my eyes to the eye for like 30 seconds
[14:16]so that I know I'm paying attention to.
[14:18]And I was like, okay.
[14:21]And that honestly can, those are those micro things
[14:26]that I talk about that are really important.
[14:28]Those tiny, tiny moments.
[14:29]It's like our kids, like they don't need hours and hours
[14:31]on end of our attention.
[14:33]They need moments of clarity, they need sustained focus
[14:38]but it doesn't have to be extensive, right?
[14:41]Just enough to fill their emotional bank account
[14:45]that I like to say, you know?
[14:46]So again, it's about like how do you create focus
[14:50]within the context of your life and prioritize
[14:54]the things that really matter to you?
[14:56]So it's not about plugging out of your daily life
[14:58]and completely like recalibrating everything
[15:01]necessarily right away, right?
[15:03]It's about how do we sort of rebuild mental clarity
[15:07]within whatever you're dealing with, right?
[15:09]And when the human experience, like it's a lot,
[15:11]it's a lot every day that we're all dealing with.
[15:14]And so it's about those moments
[15:17]and really focusing on those fundamentals
[15:19]and those are all the things I talk about in the book.
[15:23]Wow.
[15:24]So how did you become an expert in this?
[15:27]How did you become an architect of change with Maria Shriver?
[15:30]Like how did you get millions of people
[15:32]like your posts?
[15:33]Like where did this outcome from?
[15:35]And was this where you thought life was headed for you?
[15:39]Well, I mean, I was always very curious about human behavior
[15:41]and you know, that's something I wanted to study
[15:43]and focus on since I was a young kid
[15:45]and sort of where my sweet spot was with friends
[15:48]and kind of talking through what they're going through.
[15:50]So I always had an empath, you know,
[15:53]that's just how I function.
[15:55]I feel deeply and I want to help.
[15:58]But I think, you know, I was going for a clinical route
[16:02]and then, you know, sort of media caught on
[16:05]and then things went from there, you know?
[16:08]And it's just, I'm just feel so blessed
[16:10]and so honored that my words are resonating with so many
[16:15]articulate what it means to be human these days.
[16:18]And I'm trying really hard to do that.
[16:21]And I think that that matters.
[16:22]Putting words to something that often times is very hard
[16:26]to understand and the more we can understand
[16:32]and sort of address what we're dealing with
[16:33]the less power things have over us.
[16:36]So that's really what I'm trying, what I'm doing.
[16:39]and I'm just really grateful.
[16:41]I think, you know, my first book is about resilience
[16:45]and the power of that and what it means
[16:47]and the skill set of building that up.
[16:49]And, you know, over time, so many clients
[16:52]and, you know, I do, I do a lot of talks
[16:54]and to groups and different organizations
[16:57]and I realize, you know, so many people
[16:58]are just utterly exhausted.
[17:00]Even like the ones who have, you know,
[17:02]who can outsource help and people who are in really,
[17:06]you know, high executive positions,
[17:07]like no matter what socioeconomic, you know,
[17:10]it's like, it just spans everything and everyone
[17:13]and I really started peeling the layers.
[17:15]Like, where is this actually coming from?
[17:18]It can't just be that all of a sudden,
[17:20]we just have so much more to do as people.
[17:23]And so, you know, when I started to really look at it all,
[17:27]it was very clear to me that our lack of attention
[17:30]and inability to focus is becoming sort of an epidemic
[17:34]of this generation.
[17:35]And that's where I wanted to really dig into
[17:38]and do the research and do the work
[17:39]and it became very clear, very quickly
[17:42]that this is something we need to really talk about
[17:44]and work on and work toward.
[17:46]So, do your kids give you a hard time
[17:50]about like not focusing on this is like your life's work?
[17:53]Like, do they feel like my kids would do that?
[17:56]I'm Wilson.
[17:56]I think that's part of why my words resonate with you,
[17:59]but like, I'm right there with you, by the way.
[18:01]Like, I've got three kids, I've got young kids,
[18:04]I've got a crew, I'm doing it with you.
[18:06]And I get it.
[18:07]I'm not, I'm far from perfect.
[18:09]I look at my phone when my kids are talking to.
[18:12]You know, it's like, I know I shouldn't, but I do.
[18:14]And we have very open conversations about that
[18:18]and how hard this is.
[18:19]And we talk about what it feels like to feel torn
[18:22]and to feel urgent and that everything is an emergency
[18:26]when it's not.
[18:27]And so, I think the key isn't about perfection at all.
[18:31]It's more just about talking through
[18:33]what this all means and how do we work with it?
[18:36]How do we work, work it into our lives?
[18:38]How do we do better?
[18:40]Right?
[18:41]And so I think articulating our own process as parents
[18:43]and as humans and it's like, oops,
[18:45]that's not how I wanted to handle that.
[18:47]Sorry, let me put my phone down.
[18:48]I was in the middle of an email,
[18:50]but what you have to say is important.
[18:52]So let's talk through that.
[18:53]You know what I mean?
[18:54]And just kind of being really open about it.
[18:55]And yeah, they hold me accountable.
[18:56]For example, like we just had an conversation
[18:59]about it yesterday.
[19:00]It's like, you know, and I have a 12 year old.
[19:03]so he's on the cusp of teenhood and a 10 year old girl
[19:07]and a five year old and so we,
[19:09]I'm in all the ages and stages, right?
[19:12]And it's certainly a lot.
[19:13]But again, it's really about,
[19:15]I think so many of us feel so guilty and ashamed.
[19:19]And I want to really normalize this
[19:22]as something that we're all struggling with
[19:24]and we all can help each other break free from.
[19:28]And it requires a little bit of thought,
[19:31]but then it'll become second nature.
[19:33]So I have four kids, including a 10 and 12 year old.
[19:36]So maybe they can all get together in LA sometime
[19:39]and, you know, make fun of us and just focus
[19:41]their attention on each other.
[19:42]And we'll see if we've taught them anything along the way.
[19:47]Well, I mean, if you really watch kids
[19:50]doing what kids do best,
[19:52]which is played together and really engage with each other,
[19:54]it really is amazing sort of how much they zone in
[19:58]on each other.
[20:00]when they're just in the flow of childhood, right?
[20:03]When there's nothing else going on
[20:04]and there's no devices and they're just playing,
[20:08]even our 13 year old, or 12, almost 13 year old,
[20:11]when he gets together with his friends or his teams
[20:14]or whatever, it's like they're just in it.
[20:16]Yes.
[20:17]And that's where I see so much joy.
[20:21]I think we've forgotten so many of us
[20:24]feel so resentful in our like on edge.
[20:27]Yes, because life is tough and yes,
[20:30]because we have unprocessed emotions
[20:33]and we can't really regulate in the context of our lives,
[20:35]but also because what we've missed
[20:39]is that focus also cultivates joy or there.
[20:43]We're actually feeling what it feels like to connect
[20:46]and to love and to appreciate and to play
[20:49]and to have fun or whatever it is, right, and to talk.
[20:53]And that's why it feels so good to,
[20:55]I don't know, vent to a friend or whatever it is,
[20:57]like those are those micro moments.
[20:59]They're like, wait, I feel much better.
[21:01]Why?
[21:02]It's not just because I dumped my negativity on someone else.
[21:05]It's because it's a shared connection.
[21:08]It's more connecting.
[21:10]It's a shared experience.
[21:11]And so I think kids really can be immersed as as well.
[21:15]This is why I felt so much better
[21:17]after an epic round of sharks in Minos.
[21:21]With my youngest, so, right, you know,
[21:23]because they can do it forever, you know,
[21:25]once they're in it and it's like,
[21:28]they have a hard time plugging out
[21:31]and we're sort of in the reverse as grownups.
[21:34]And it's like, how do we kind of trace back the steps, right?
[21:38]And retrain ourselves for that intentionality again.
[21:42]But what do you do though in times of real trauma,
[21:46]like after the fire and the palisades
[21:48]and having to shift gears and move and all of that?
[21:52]I mean, this is like, it's hard enough
[21:54]just to have regular focus,
[21:55]but then when life is upended,
[21:57]which happens to so many people
[21:58]in all different terrible ways
[22:00]not to be depressing, then what?
[22:02]It's really an happen to us and Texas and all the things
[22:06]and all the time, you know, that's survival mode.
[22:09]And that's really just really just,
[22:11]there's not much more you can do
[22:13]in those particular moments of acute trauma
[22:16]other than one moment by moment.
[22:20]It's like one foot in front of the other,
[22:22]even just something as simple as like making a coffee
[22:25]can be huge for the day.
[22:27]And that's okay, you know?
[22:28]And so you move through that and it restructures you.
[22:32]And I think it's insanely painful and difficult
[22:37]and also reprograms what is important to you
[22:42]in a lot of ways and illuminates a lot.
[22:45]And there's also a lot of beauty and connection
[22:48]that comes from pain.
[22:50]And I think if we let it,
[22:52]it can be a very powerful changing experience
[22:55]in whatever way.
[22:56]And yes, painful.
[22:58]And that's part of being human too,
[23:00]is the discomfort of the pain that we go through
[23:03]and the recalibration.
[23:05]But I think, you know,
[23:07]focusing on what you can control in those moments and knowing
[23:09]and letting go to like,
[23:11]no, you're not gonna be productive
[23:14]and particularly focused.
[23:17]And yes, your screen can provide comfort
[23:19]because you're connecting with your community
[23:22]or whatever it is.
[23:23]So gifting yourself a little more grace,
[23:25]of course, during the cute trauma phases is critical.
[23:29]Amazing.
[23:29]Well, thank you so much.
[23:31]I have loved reading your book.
[23:33]I also, by the way, was surprised.
[23:35]I was like,
[23:36]why'd I have to eat better, sleep better, to focus?
[23:38]No, I didn't.
[23:40]I wanna continue eating sugar all the time,
[23:42]but no, I'm kidding.
[23:43]But no, I love it and I love the message.
[23:45]And I love just the simplicity of it
[23:47]that if you're searching for joy,
[23:49]just focus on something for a while.
[23:51]Do something deeply.
[23:53]And it sounds so simple, but it's not.
[23:56]And it's right there at your fingertips,
[23:58]doesn't even cost anything.
[24:00]It doesn't.
[24:00]You're right.
[24:01]And ensure the book is a guide, a map
[24:04]and it gives you all sorts of tools.
[24:05]But I was very cautious of providing too much.
[24:09]I don't wanna overwhelm the system
[24:11]because often our brain says,
[24:12]well, that's too much work, right?
[24:14]And I think that in this world,
[24:16]we're fed so many things to do and hacks.
[24:20]Like I remember I was lecturing at UCLA
[24:22]at the Graduate School.
[24:23]And all these students came up to me
[24:26]and they said, oh my God, I,
[24:28]can you just tell me like the one thing I have to start?
[24:31]Like I have so much on my to-do list
[24:33]of like all these things I have to do to be healthy
[24:36]and well and mentally well.
[24:38]And like, and they looked so hopeless.
[24:41]Like they literally didn't even know where to begin
[24:43]because it is, like there's so many hacks
[24:45]and there's so many, there's like red lights,
[24:47]cold plunging, like she was literally listening.
[24:49]I said, I need a sauna, but I can't afford a sauna,
[24:52]but I don't know where to go for a sauna.
[24:53]I said, babe, you don't need a sauna.
[24:55]Literally yesterday, somebody told me
[24:57]to like start doing cold plunges.
[24:58]And I was like, I'm just not gonna do,
[25:00]I'm not gonna do that.
[25:01]You do cold pungent sauna and all the things
[25:04]and you can fit that in
[25:05]and you've created a lifestyle in which that works for you.
[25:08]By all means, great, yes.
[25:10]But for those of us who can't and don't,
[25:12]please don't think that we need to do all of that.
[25:16]To be well.
[25:17]We need to get back to the basics of being human first.
[25:20]Let's master that.
[25:21]Let's go back to the basics and the simplicity
[25:25]of what it means to focus and connect.
[25:27]And that's really what this book is about
[25:28]and that's what I want to be talking about.
[25:30]We need to change the narrative.
[25:32]Big time.
[25:33]I love it.
[25:34]Thank you so much.
[25:34]Thank you, this has been so fun and I am inspired
[25:39]for renewed focus and really renewed
[25:41]deepening the meaning of all the everyday interactions.
[25:44]So thank you.
[25:45]Good, good, well, we'll keep in touch.
[25:47]Okay, sounds good.
[25:49]Okay, thank you, bye-bye.
[25:51]Thank you for listening to totally booked with Zibi
[25:54]formerly Momstone have time to read books.
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[26:05]Oh, and bye the books.