Susan Patterson and James Patterson, The Mother-Daughter Book Club
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[0:45]I had such a nice time interviewing James and Susan Patterson, Jim and Sue, who are the co-authors
[0:52]of the New York Times and USA Today Best-selling book, The Mother Daughter Book Club, novel.
[0:58]Susan, Sully Patterson, has a Bachelor of Science, Master of Fine Arts degree from the
[1:03]University of Wisconsin-Madison, where she was also an All-American swimmer.
[1:07]She is the author of Big Words for Little Genius' and New York Times Best-seller.
[1:11]James Patterson is the most popular storyteller of our time.
[1:15]He is the creator of Unforgettable Characters and Series, including Alex Cross, the Women's
[1:20]Murder Club, Jane F. and Smith and Maximum Ride, and of breathtaking true stories about
[1:25]the Kennedy's John Lennon and Princess Diana, as well as our military heroes, police
[1:29]officers, and eight R nurses.
[1:31]He has co-authored number one Best-selling novels with Bill Clinton and Dolly Parton, told
[1:36]the story of his own life in James Patterson by James Patterson, which I interviewed him
[1:40]about on his podcast and was absolutely fascinating, and received an Edgar Award 10 Emmy Awards,
[1:46]the Libertarian Award from the National Book Foundation, and the National Humanities
[1:50]Medal.
[1:51]Enjoy.
[1:52]Welcome.
[1:53]I'm so excited to be here with both James and Susan Patterson to talk about the mother-daughter
[1:59]book club.
[2:00]Congratulations.
[2:01]Thank you.
[2:02]Thank you.
[2:03]I absolutely loved the characters in this book.
[2:05]You take us through, and I found myself saying, wait, why don't I have a mother-daughter
[2:09]book club?
[2:10]And I'm sure other people will feel the same.
[2:13]Actually, are you and a mother-daughter book club?
[2:15]There's hundreds of them are already happening around the country now, which is really
[2:20]great.
[2:22]No, we're on our own book club, I guess.
[2:25]Yeah.
[2:26]I've been in my book club.
[2:28]How's it going?
[2:29]I was in my book club.
[2:30]That's a whole other idea.
[2:31]I think we just got an idea.
[2:33]That's why my book club.
[2:34]How's been my book club?
[2:35]I love that.
[2:36]I love that.
[2:37]Oh.
[2:38]It's the sequel.
[2:39]Yeah.
[2:40]I would like an acknowledgement in that book, please.
[2:43]Thank you very much.
[2:44]Okay.
[2:45]You get it.
[2:46]Exactly your idea.
[2:48]It was mine.
[2:50]But I was here for it.
[2:51]Yeah.
[2:52]We have to see it again.
[2:53]It was here.
[2:54]I was here.
[2:55]It was your idea.
[2:56]Tell us and there's one at the book is about, please.
[2:57]What about honey?
[2:59]Well, it started with the first one that I think you're probably aware of things I wish
[3:05]I told my mother, which was born out of an idea that came shortly after my mom passed
[3:11]away when something happened that I always realized I wasn't able to talk to her anymore.
[3:17]And it was something totally insignificant.
[3:19]But I said to Jim, there's so many things I wish I could tell my mother.
[3:23]And he said, that's a great idea for a book.
[3:26]So that's, we realized then after writing that that it really touched a chord with mothers
[3:31]and daughters.
[3:32]And it's not a book about two and her mother is a novel about another mother and
[3:36]daughter.
[3:37]Right.
[3:38]Right.
[3:39]So this was unrelated, but we decided to expand it to several mothers and their daughters.
[3:42]And you know, it's a different journey.
[3:44]I mean, they had this book club, which is kind of an excuse just to get together
[3:48]and to go on a great trip.
[3:51]And it's just such a rich area.
[3:53]And the publisher, I think, was a little surprised at how well the first book did.
[3:58]And then, but it's just a rich vein.
[4:00]As you know, the whole mother do it a relationship thing.
[4:04]My, obviously, I'm not a mother or a daughter, but I did grow up in a house full of women.
[4:09]Mother, grandmother, three sisters, two female cats, and the buzz and purse still in my
[4:14]head.
[4:15]So what, so I have that little thing in terms of a background, in terms of what I can
[4:18]contribute.
[4:19]Yeah.
[4:20]Amazing.
[4:21]So, well, in the book, you have a, there's a line.
[4:25]Can I just read this little section?
[4:26]Is that okay?
[4:27]Yeah, sure.
[4:28]How dumb it was for me to be scared of being murdered in Mariela's beautiful garden.
[4:33]Why be afraid of a stranger when it's the people you love who hurt you the most?
[4:37]I thought that was so interesting.
[4:39]And sort of one of the, one of the themes, how do we hurt each other?
[4:42]What secrets do we keep?
[4:43]And of course, secrets are a big theme because that's what they, yeah, routinely share.
[4:47]The night of secrets at the last night where they have to share something that, you know,
[4:54]there's some feeling that it's got to be good enough to share because somebody's going
[4:58]to share something that's really, you know, juicier.
[5:01]A couple of secrets are really pretty cool too.
[5:03]Mariela Grace has a terrific secret and, yeah, so that's one of the fun.
[5:10]I mean, we tried it.
[5:11]One of the things, obviously I can't help the page turning part of it, but that's a
[5:15]piece.
[5:16]And what are they going to be and, and are they going to get out?
[5:20]It's not, it's not a sad book.
[5:21]I mean, the portion you, that you raise and that's fair, but there are, there's a piece
[5:27]of that.
[5:28]But there's a lot of joy in the book as well.
[5:30]The friendships are incredible.
[5:31]Yeah.
[5:32]No, 100% where, where are they all going to school on?
[5:36]Oh, well, we have to get this in there.
[5:38]My alma mater, which is the University of Wisconsin, where I have to also say that Jim
[5:43]was the commencement speaker over the weekend.
[5:46]Wow.
[5:47]It's a question.
[5:48]No, it's the first time the students ever gave a speaker a standing ovation.
[5:52]So, grab a note, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[5:56]60,000 people.
[5:57]It's pretty daunting.
[5:58]Yeah.
[5:59]I'm not not surprised, but congratulations.
[6:03]You referenced so many books.
[6:04]And I flipped to the bag at one point and I was like, I hope there's a list back here of
[6:08]all the books and author's reference, but I didn't see one.
[6:10]Do you have that somewhere?
[6:12]Oh, that's a good thing.
[6:13]No, we do have a list somewhere.
[6:15]Yeah, right.
[6:16]We'll take another thing that happened on Zippy, right?
[6:19]That one you get credit for 100%.
[6:21]But the recipes are at the back.
[6:24]I saw that, yes.
[6:25]Which was, those are a lot of family recipes, mostly from my mom's side.
[6:29]And I have to say the killer cake is just that killer.
[6:33]OK, it's a little bit of work to make, but it is incredible.
[6:37]I mean, it is so rich and decadent.
[6:39]It is really good.
[6:40]Well, instead of putting this up on my shelf after I am taking this down to the kitchen,
[6:44]I'm not saying what we can do.
[6:45]Exactly.
[6:46]They seem pretty easy like I could make them with my kids.
[6:48]So thank you for the recipes.
[6:49]But really, you have enough books in here to have every book club be stocked forever.
[6:54]Right?
[6:55]You have all these great books from so many working authors today.
[6:59]Are you sending all of them a copy of this book?
[7:01]How are you engaging them in the book?
[7:03]Do they even know they're in it?
[7:04]Zippy, you're just chock-full.
[7:07]Now, we haven't done that, but that's a good idea.
[7:10]So we'll do that as well.
[7:12]We know what it's all in that whole book.
[7:14]No, we have Ellen Hildebrand.
[7:16]We actually have talk to Ellen.
[7:19]Because we love Ellen, yeah.
[7:21]Well, Ann Patchett even has a whole inspiration in the book.
[7:24]I mean, you even have her writing out a whole yes.
[7:27]Ann Patchett's another good one too.
[7:30]No, Ann's great.
[7:31]We love her books store down in Nashville.
[7:33]Yeah.
[7:35]Well, there's a there's a plot line.
[7:37]There are many plot lines because all of the different characters are going through
[7:41]their own periods of growth and identity seeking and all of that.
[7:45]But there is an accident that frames the book and takes us through and leads to a lot of questions,
[7:51]I think, adding to your propulsive nature.
[7:53]What happened with these twins who are in an accident early on in the book?
[7:57]What happened?
[7:58]Why are they, why has their relationship been fractured ever since?
[8:02]We have to keep learning and reading and trying to figure it out along the way.
[8:07]And what does it mean when we fall out with someone that we're really close to and how it
[8:12]destructive that can feel?
[8:14]Tell me a little bit about that feeling and the decision to make that one of the narrative arcs
[8:19]of the book.
[8:22]Well, we you know, we have a little reality in there.
[8:26]I mean, you know, siblings that are especially twins that are,
[8:31]you know, ones going one way, ones is the other and they're sort of protecting each other.
[8:35]But they, you know, you know how it is.
[8:37]I mean, I think it's just human nature.
[8:38]I mean, I don't I don't have any brothers or sisters, but you know that it's,
[8:43]it's there in siblings.
[8:44]What's your back to this whole notion of the mothers and the daughters and sometimes the
[8:48]daughters and the daughters and sometimes the mothers and the mothers and the mothers.
[8:51]Right.
[8:51]And, you know, and it's just complex.
[8:53]And then you put the nine of them.
[8:55]I think it's nine together for a weekend and all of it starts to boil.
[9:00]And it's a combination of incredible joy and fun.
[9:04]There is a lot of fun in it.
[9:05]I mean, because Mary Ella, who's an opera singer, it is her place and Lake Como,
[9:11]which we haven't talked about, which is where this takes place most of it,
[9:15]which is a great place to go and research, by the way.
[9:17]I've never been here.
[9:18]I have never been and now I'm dying.
[9:20]I know I know I just have it.
[9:22]It's beautiful.
[9:23]Yeah, well, it's something to definitely consider, but she makes sure that it's fun.
[9:28]So they will experiment with tattoos, which they marry me, not do with yoga.
[9:35]Viking, going out and like come on.
[9:38]Yes, so they do a lot of things they're not used to doing.
[9:40]And there is some kind of, I don't mean in a romantic, but there's a love story for
[9:47]put in all of different kinds of love stories for the women, which I think is also fun.
[9:52]And you don't know how those are going to turn out.
[9:55]One juicy one pops up, one of the secrets is unbelievable.
[9:59]Great.
[10:00]it's a secret. And then ultimately, the secret that relates to the first incident in the book,
[10:06]the accident, where we, we need some questions answered.
[10:11]I think it might be also when you were talking, it was just making me think that sort of like
[10:15]a family get together or reunion sort of thing, you know, how the, you know, holiday situation
[10:21]are Thanksgiving when you're getting a family together. There's always something, you know,
[10:25]I think that because they're close, that's going to happen. Yeah. The only trick is all of
[10:30]the mothers for sure want to be there. Yeah. Uh-huh. So that's a little different than the family
[10:35]reunion's where, yeah, you know, everybody wants to be. Right. That could be a little tricky.
[10:42]The daughters, as you said, the twins are having a problem. Yeah. The other daughters, I think,
[10:47]within recent, they all want to be there. One of the moms is very much feeling like her life
[10:54]didn't turn out necessarily the way it hoped, whereas other moms have had a lot of privileges that
[10:59]some of the other moms haven't had. And I feel like, yes, it's, it's hard when they all get together
[11:04]when they're saying like, well, little different. Yeah. Why did this happen to this woman? And
[11:10]what about me? And again, I know there's lots of joy in the book. And maybe I'm just drawn to the,
[11:15]the few darker things that that course through. Yeah. But, but there is that notion of like,
[11:19]well, we can't necessarily control what happens with our lives. We all kind of, they all start out
[11:24]the same in a way in college. And I mean, one of them is the nanny. But, yeah. But what happens
[11:29]with our lives and how much control do we even have? Yeah. Well, with Alan and Jamie in particular,
[11:34]they have issues that they need to sort out. Different kinds of issues, not with one another,
[11:39]but you know, it took different paths. Yeah. And Alan has, she's had some success, but she's not
[11:45]really happy with where she is. Yeah. And that requires change, which is hard for everybody.
[11:51]It's very hard to really change. Back to the relationship piece, by the way,
[11:56]and the sort of leader in life sexuality piece. Like, there were some more, you know,
[12:02]spicier moments in the book. How was that writing those together?
[12:08]Well, I'm writing a romantic scene. So I've been, I needed to practice a little bit.
[12:14]Well, spicy. And we had a good time together. And we did not, we've actually done five,
[12:20]five books together. Three children's books and these two novels. Yeah.
[12:24]And then of course, you know, we had to go to Lake Como, which was great because we feel like
[12:29]the book was mostly finished, but we left spaces in there to embellish where our own experiences.
[12:34]So we feel like we really kind of live the book. And, you know, the restaurants that we went to,
[12:39]where we really got into the dishes. Oh, this would be so perfect. We could talk about this and
[12:45]going out on a boat, like Grace and Danny might have done. And so that was really special.
[12:51]And the church that Danny found with the women's saints, you know, stuff like that.
[12:56]Just a little bit. Of course, my favorite collaborator. Yeah, he says that now in front of me,
[13:01]but I've never had an issue with the collaborators. People just go, oh, the fighting. And he
[13:06]oh, no, I've never, I've never had any, if I give you one example with the Biola Davis book,
[13:11]Judge Stone. One of the things with Biola, and we were talking about it, she said, you know,
[13:16]when I'm doing a movie, I have all these people all over me. We've got my lawyers and my,
[13:21]my manager and my agent and the director and the screenwriter and the cinematographer and then
[13:27]all the other actors have their people. But she said to him with the two of us, it was just us.
[13:32]And the only, she said it was a safe space for her. And our only, we had one mission and one
[13:38]objective, which is to keep making the book better and better and better. It was one chapter that
[13:42]we rewrote 13 times. And I think the same thing with Sue and I, the only objective we had was to
[13:47]keep making it better and better and better. And that includes, you know, I mean, with nine characters,
[13:52]that's its own challenge. How do you introduce them and get them people interested in them right
[13:58]away? And keep them separated like who is who, which daughters this. That's why we decided to do
[14:05]one of the great, in terms of introducing character of your character and you're immediately
[14:10]interested in, which is his own challenge. Dickens was great at it. A lot of the modern authors
[14:15]not so much, you know, but it's a challenge and it's different and it's, there's a real art to it.
[14:22]Well, you even nailed the younger characters. Some of the, the TikTok trends and the way they speak
[14:28]and, you know, making fun of the older people a little bit. I'm like, how are they so in touch with
[14:32]this generation? And, you know, I don't even know some of these things. We also have
[14:39]a, we also have a 20-something year old. Okay. Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. We, we, so I think we
[14:46]say in touch a lot. I don't know. That's always been my, I'm just curious about everything.
[14:50]Yeah. So I, I don't keep up to keep up. I just, I'm just curious. Do you hear different things?
[14:56]Well, how does that work? Well, how does that, you know, chat to tell me more. I mean, you know,
[15:00]obviously, but I don't entirely understand cats. And I always like to hear about what? And, and
[15:06]that thing. And you just still like the one on your leg and it's really big and wow. And, and you
[15:10]still, you know, when you go to the office with a skirt on and I don't know, man, you know, what do you
[15:14]think? So all I said, it's just interesting and fun to me. So is that the, is that the secret sauce
[15:19]just having an innate curiosity about people and things? I think it's a piece of it. Yeah. No,
[15:24]I love to hear people's stories. I people think I'm like disingenuous. I don't know. I want to hear
[15:29]about you. What's going on with, you know, how's the, how's the bookstore in LA? You know, I,
[15:34]I'd like to hear that stuff. I just, I do. But I love to, I mean, that's one of the things with
[15:39]still and I remember she was married before. And the first time we went out to dinner,
[15:45]we said, and this was an exaggeration because I talked more at dinner tonight with you than I did
[15:50]with my husband. Oh, that's an exaggeration. But it's just, you know, we, we love to gap.
[15:55]Yeah, we're talkers. And I guess you guys, you can't really relax because every vacation
[15:59]now you're turning into a book. Is that what the, is that what the future is going to hold? Not at all.
[16:03]I, I, I, I love this. Both of us weren't, we're relaxed, very relaxed. We don't stress over this
[16:09]shit. There's no. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Too late. I still don't understand how you can have so
[16:19]many books coming out with so many collaborators all the time and keep it all straight and
[16:25]still. I mean, how do you do all of that? I, I don't know. It's, it's just a natural thing now. I
[16:32]mean, it's habit. And that's my habit to be doing a lot of things at the same time. I think a little
[16:38]of it is coming out of the advertising world where there were so many different people that
[16:42]work for me and campaigns. And I say my joke about advertising, I've been clean for over 30 years.
[16:48]But that's kind of get you used to just doing a lot of things at the same time.
[16:54]Yeah. And I find it stimulating. I don't find it confusing. All right. I really find it stimulating.
[17:00]You know, it just, it keeps me, it keeps my brain, I think going in active, you know, whatever.
[17:05]And, and, and I knew, I mentioned, like they mentioned in the romantic scene. I don't know. I just,
[17:10]well, and another one in September, I just finished a book with Mr. Beast. Oh, wow. Mr. Beast has
[17:18]five times the followers, the Taylor Swift does. And, and I would, so when I went down,
[17:24]then we met him. I spent four hours with him. We said, let's do this novel. And it was just kind
[17:28]of a cool challenge and fun. And once again, in terms of, of staying current or whatever,
[17:35]you know, a lot of his readers are quite young. And I, I mean, I also remember I've written a lot of
[17:40]kids books and, and YA books too. So I don't know what it is, but, you know, I'm curious.
[17:47]Well, I can't wait just to do that one. Have, have your finger on pop culture, pulse. I feel like
[17:53]I just need to send you like my 11 year old son's next things and you'll be on those trends.
[17:57]You know, and so the books that are in the book, did you read all these books? Are these
[18:05]some of your favorite? I always a collaboration again. Some of our favorites, you know, and then,
[18:11]you know, we had, we just tried to mix it up. Like we did the characters. They were
[18:16]we tried to think of, so they weren't all cookie cutters. So that's where an opera singer and a
[18:22]minister, I mean, they, and then they ended up kind of becoming our favorites. It was, it was just
[18:29]interesting how they evolved. They just kind of, we said, I should turn it to people or so much more
[18:33]important than the books in this particular thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We've sort of heard what you
[18:38]didn't talk enough about the books. Oh, no, it was great. But kind of the, you know, the real thing
[18:43]is it's, what do you say about a book club? It's a reason to get together and then how much time
[18:47]do you actually spend talking about the book? You're more just talking to each other. So I think
[18:52]that's kind of the way we looked at it. Like the books were just a little carrot. Of course,
[18:56]we're already getting videos we're showing up online now for book clubs as they do. And
[19:01]within the videos, and you can see in the videos how much fun people have with the book clubs.
[19:06]And a lot of if the book clubs are good ones, you know, sometimes people get so like, you know,
[19:10]like it's a college course that they must get a grade in which I don't know. And a lot of them
[19:16]revolved around eating. So the recipes, they made the recipes and then they, you know, was an excuse
[19:22]to get together. That's another thing. So when the two of you collaborate and I'm sure your
[19:26]collaborations are different with each author, but when the two of you are doing a book together,
[19:30]is it right there? Like sitting at the desk where I'm watching you or how do you do it? How do you
[19:34]plan the time? Yeah, we'll do some a bit like this. A lot of it is just, it's just
[19:40]wherever we're together. Just walking back and forth back and forth back and forth.
[19:44]You know, this and you know, I'd be here. Yeah. You're constantly getting new ideas. I mean,
[19:48]you don't have to be sitting down with a pen and paper pencil or your computer to
[19:53]you get an idea. Oh, this would be perfect for this character. Yeah. It just pops out of nowhere.
[19:58]And then, so I think it's passing the chat.
[20:00]He's back and forth. Yeah. So you both doing the writing and then you just split it up.
[20:04]Yeah. Yeah. I think that we were always layering it and adding to it.
[20:09]Yeah. She's a good writer. She's a storyteller.
[20:12]Good storyteller. Oh, I don't. If you.
[20:17]I think that is a big compliment coming from you.
[20:19]If you both could go back and have a book club with your moms, what would you want to read?
[20:25]Oh, um, it's interesting. My parents were both big readers.
[20:31]I guess I'd like to go back and some of the books that they initially
[20:36]Hermann woke and some of the, you know, that that work that they liked.
[20:42]I forget exactly, you know, by buckly some of those, you know, they liked sort of thick
[20:48]novels and thick nonfiction. And that that'd be fun and fun to do that with that.
[20:53]I don't know what the answer to that is, but I'd sure love to have my mom back to figure
[20:58]out a book to read with her. My mom was a big crossword puzzle person. She did that every day
[21:04]religiously. She read a lot. But yeah, I mean, you know, I give her a lot of credit because
[21:10]the things I wish I told my mother that was inspired by her. And now this sort of evolved out
[21:16]of that. So she's loving it somewhere. Yeah. Yeah. My father was the big student, you know, in terms
[21:22]of he always wanted to be a novelist, but he just didn't have a confidence. And when he retired,
[21:27]he did write a novel, it didn't get published. It was pretty good. But a big throw for him is he got a
[21:31]short story published in his late 60s. And that was cool. That was cool. That's amazing.
[21:39]Any other, I know we were joking about future collaborations, but do you have plans for another
[21:43]book together? And is this one going to be a movie like so many of your other projects?
[21:49]Well, I will say, well, things that we should tell my mother, we have a script, we don't have
[21:53]a script. They have a script in Hollywood. We have a production company. So we'll say, okay,
[21:58]I think you're talking to actors now. So you never know that there. It's such, you know,
[22:02]you're just, okay. I know. I don't even think about it. Yeah, maybe you're brother would like to do.
[22:08]No, yeah, that's good. This one, somebody, I don't know if it was the producer, one of those said,
[22:16]oh, this would be great. Well, you know, that'd be great, but I'm not going to waste any time thinking
[22:22]about Hollywood thing. It's, you know, you get an offer and you go, okay, well, let's do it out.
[22:26]That's nice. Yeah. But let's see the, you know, the first that I'll believe it. Yeah.
[22:33]Let's talk about it to premiere. Okay. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Exactly. This is probably a
[22:39]stupid question, but the science that comes at the end of the book. And I don't want to give away
[22:43]why it, why it enters the book. But is that all actually happening now or did you make it up?
[22:48]Uh, it's on the border. It's, it's, it's very close to, yes, to the answer is Bridget,
[22:54]who is the doctor in the book, is model a little bit on our niece,
[23:00]Bridget, who is a neurologist, brilliant at MIT, brilliant, brilliant woman. And she was very helpful
[23:07]in terms of making that, you know, it's, it's pretty accurate. Wow. Well, those strides are
[23:14]incredibly exciting. Yeah. Well, look, I mean, we're going to see, there's going to be a lot of
[23:19]strides, positive negative in the next 10 years or so. So, you know, buckle up. Amazing. Anything
[23:26]on your nightstands that you haven't written that you're inspired by, old or new?
[23:31]Um, you know, I was inspired. I just read a John Sanford. It's a mystery. I'm all over the
[23:36]school. I read a lot of kids books and actually starting to read several math decisions
[23:40]I'm playing in that genre. And with, with Sanford, the last couple I, I thought he was kind of
[23:47]lot of his best. And all of a sudden he's back. So I liked that. I like it when the writer,
[23:52]I mean, I could be wrong about the last few books, but this new one is, is definitely, and that was fun.
[23:58]That was fun. I'm always busy reading the next James Patterson manuscript form.
[24:04]But actually, now I'm reading the correspondence. Oh, yeah, so good. Yeah, we both read that one. Yeah.
[24:09]Yeah, that was, that's a, it's an interesting book in the sense that nothing happens sort a little
[24:16]bit, but everything happens. It's really, and that's the key when you get a character who's that
[24:21]interesting, you know, it works. Obviously. Interesting. Love it. Do you have advice for aspiring
[24:29]authors or other couples attempting to do what you have done, create something else. Oh,
[24:36]I don't know. That, that'll be in our next novel, The Husband and Wife book.
[24:40]I think it's more for notion for people that aren't married yet, you know, the whole notion of
[24:47]to me, you really want to try to marry a best friend.
[24:52]Hmm, we have to be loved, but a best friend, because with best friends, you, you know, things to
[24:59]talk about, and you're, you put punches. You know, and they're always moments, but if it's a best
[25:05]friend and you really care, you just, they'll say it, you know, it's the way you are when you just,
[25:10]you know, I'm thinking it, but I'm not saying it.
[25:15]Thank you for your, uh, secret secret secret to happy marriage right here.
[25:21]Thank you for another, another revelation.
[25:24]No, we are. We, uh, we, we have a, we have a good time together. Yeah, we do. We enjoy each other's
[25:29]company. Even on the golf course, even writing a book.
[25:33]You're running who is a better golfer. She is. Really? That's awesome. Yeah.
[25:38]He has more holes in one, but I have plenty.
[25:44]She's going to catch me, but you know, that's okay.
[25:48]Well, congratulations. I truly enjoy getting to know all these characters being transported
[25:53]to like Como being brought back to books that I've loved over time and even learning. So
[25:59]thank you so much. I really enjoyed it. Thanks so much. Thank you so much.
[26:06]Thank you. Thank you.
[26:08]Thank you. Thank you.
[26:09]Hey, Maggie. I know you were there.
[26:13]I know you were there.
[26:15]Bye.
[26:17]Bye bye.
[26:17]I'm scaling my Maggie.
[26:20]I won't seal. I know. I'm really sorry.
[26:22]Bye guns.
[26:23]Yeah, air air.
[26:25]What's that? Oh, she is.
[26:27]She's with us.
[26:28]Okay. Well, thank you for the letting her out for a good.
[26:31]Okay. Bye.
[26:33]Bye.
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